Moria shall stand with it's Allies. (Or else leech from it's allies as it fights the War of Osgiliath at the High Pass. I mean, It's inevitable because their are two Sub-HQ's that are quite close, and Goblin Town has 2 openings: The Carrock (should be the normal region, not the HQ) and the High Pass. )
So. . . Who's ready to fight an Unending battle in two locations? Isengard will help (most likely, I'll send a small-to-large contingent up to assist) plus we'll have Moria/Goblin Town, so we just need around 10,000 More to win each time.
On another note, How many Isengard and Wild Men Troops am I getting? CC?
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
I volunteer as such, but I understand any contrary decision.
I would too, but it's his decision completely.
I volunteer as well, although whether or not he'll pick me is debatable. I AM going to be Isengard, and (as far as I remember) Goaty IS still Rohan, so that might lead to some problems. Other than that though, I've only got into one other argument and that was one that I won because of my opponent's moves (although his moves are what actually started the argument, because he just assumed something that he shouldn't have.)
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
OK, after watching some YouTube videos, rewatching the movies, and spending about an hour putting this together in my mind, I think I am ready to talk about this subject, hopefully for the last time. (sorry for the ginormous post this is and the later ones that will happen in advance Mods.)
About the Armor of Trolls:
OK, so the First point is Troll Skin. All of this will either be IRL information, or from the movies, as the book does not state anything about this subject. Now, let's look at the two big parts of the Trolls in the movies, Cave Trolls and Mordor Trolls. So, Cave Trolls, Against Axes, Swords and Arrows. Axes worked just fine for their size, and swords made decent sized cuts as well. However, Arrows and the Javelin both had a bit of a problem. The Arrows were barely even noticed, except for the ones shot from the head, and the one shot into the one place without skin, the mouth. The Head was not effective, it merely hurt. While this did hurt, it really just made the troll mad. Javelins were similar, although it wasn't really meant for throwing, the one that Aragorn threw. He did it, but it was too long for a proper spear, and it failed to peirce much further than the arrows. It did something similar to the arrows at the top of the head, and that it it. For the Mordorian trolls, we see them taking dozens of arrows in the neck, armits and essentially anywhere where their armor isn't their (this will come into play later) and still surviving. We did see one troll fall by arrows, but it was one out of a dozen or so. Now, lets go inside. Mordor Trolls DID fall by the javelins and spears used by the gondorians, implying that they are weaker than the Cave Troll. So, my first point is that their is Canon evidence that troll skin is immune to being smashed by arrows.
Second Point, is Armor. this gets more into IRL information, which came from the YouTube Videos. First off, plate armor (the majority of a Heavily Armored Trolls armor) is, IRL, almost impossible to get almost anything through. A Troll would have a much larger plate, and so would be immune. Now, their is still the Neck, and the Armpits and so forth. However, IRL, chain mail and leather/cloth was protecting these locations. And considering how the Leather/Cloth layer could often stop a sharp sword blade, it is essentially even easier to say that. Oh and this point is not mute because of Canon showing trolls without proper armor, because that Movies give HUMANS improper armor, so what do you think they'll do to a non-human character with armor?
Now, I understand that their is a need for Weaknesses of trolls. Which why I understand that Lances, Javelins and Siege Weapons all need to be able to smash a troll. However, I used the examples of Javelins failing to hopefully, FINALLY get people to admit that arrows would not destroy my Heavily Armored Trolls. And that thrown Javelins are not the best weapon against them, because they are projectiles and as such will not have a force pushing it past the skin.
Thank you for your time, I've been annoyed at this ever since. . . Anorien was about the first time I used the Trolls actually. So Anorien. Had them all the time, but Anorien was the only time they caused problems or were even used mostly.
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
What is the next order of business in planning the RP? Is my map sufficient? Have all HQs been assigned leaders? I'd like to get this started.
We still need to figure out the location of the Beorning HQ. As far as I'm aware, most people have more or less agreed (or no longer oppose ) the Beorning sub-HQ, but we still aren't certain where its exact location will be.
Canonically, Beorn's Hall was a [few] miles east of the Carrock, and Beorn himself was known to frequently visit the Carrock (as a lookout position, among other things). As far as HQ location goes, then, the base itself should be a bit east of the Carrock, or could perhaps be made on the Carrock itself. However, at this exact time, the Beornings oversaw the entire region between Mirkwood and the Misty Mountains, and so their HQ could be anywhere in the vales of the Anduin. While the Carrock region (as on CC's map) seems the most canonical location for the Beorning HQ, its geographical size/coverage seems. . . Problematic, for lack of better words. Its coverage makes it part of the main path between the Northwest and Northeast (being half the RP distance east/west as the Gladden Fields and Vales of the Anduin to the south), while its size causes it to be the only separator between Mirkwood and Gundabad (meaning that we five HQs touching each other in a chain, covering both sides). To fix this, I would suggest separating a section of the Carrock into the Beorning HQ, but leave the rest as a normal region.
So, does this seem good to everyone else? That we make the Carrock and the nearby area (or perhaps just Beorn's Hall, and leave the Carrock itself in the other region) the Beorning HQ, and make the rest of the current Carrock region separate (probably the Wilderland)? Or does anyone else have other ideas as to the location of the Beorning HQ?
Also, sorry if this post is badly made. I finished my debate tournament today, and I'm tired.
I will change the map, and adjust the Location list
OK, after watching some YouTube videos, rewatching the movies, and spending about an hour putting this together in my mind, I think I am ready to talk about this subject, hopefully for the last time. (sorry for the ginormous post this is and the later ones that will happen in advance Mods.)
About the Armor of Trolls:
OK, so the First point is Troll Skin. All of this will either be IRL information, or from the movies, as the book does not state anything about this subject. Now, let's look at the two big parts of the Trolls in the movies, Cave Trolls and Mordor Trolls. So, Cave Trolls, Against Axes, Swords and Arrows. Axes worked just fine for their size, and swords made decent sized cuts as well. However, Arrows and the Javelin both had a bit of a problem. The Arrows were barely even noticed, except for the ones shot from the head, and the one shot into the one place without skin, the mouth. The Head was not effective, it merely hurt. While this did hurt, it really just made the troll mad. Javelins were similar, although it wasn't really meant for throwing, the one that Aragorn threw. He did it, but it was too long for a proper spear, and it failed to peirce much further than the arrows. It did something similar to the arrows at the top of the head, and that it it. For the Mordorian trolls, we see them taking dozens of arrows in the neck, armits and essentially anywhere where their armor isn't their (this will come into play later) and still surviving. We did see one troll fall by arrows, but it was one out of a dozen or so. Now, lets go inside. Mordor Trolls DID fall by the javelins and spears used by the gondorians, implying that they are weaker than the Cave Troll. So, my first point is that their is Canon evidence that troll skin is immune to being smashed by arrows.
Second Point, is Armor. this gets more into IRL information, which came from the YouTube Videos. First off, plate armor (the majority of a Heavily Armored Trolls armor) is, IRL, almost impossible to get almost anything through. A Troll would have a much larger plate, and so would be immune. Now, their is still the Neck, and the Armpits and so forth. However, IRL, chain mail and leather/cloth was protecting these locations. And considering how the Leather/Cloth layer could often stop a sharp sword blade, it is essentially even easier to say that. Oh and this point is not mute because of Canon showing trolls without proper armor, because that Movies give HUMANS improper armor, so what do you think they'll do to a non-human character with armor?
Now, I understand that their is a need for Weaknesses of trolls. Which why I understand that Lances, Javelins and Siege Weapons all need to be able to smash a troll. However, I used the examples of Javelins failing to hopefully, FINALLY get people to admit that arrows would not destroy my Heavily Armored Trolls. And that thrown Javelins are not the best weapon against them, because they are projectiles and as such will not have a force pushing it past the skin.
Thank you for your time, I've been annoyed at this ever since. . . Anorien was about the first time I used the Trolls actually. So Anorien. Had them all the time, but Anorien was the only time they caused problems or were even used mostly.
I will only point out that the Orcs/Goblins of Moria never used heavily armoured trolls.
Moria shall stand with it's Allies. (Or else leech from it's allies as it fights the War of Osgiliath at the High Pass. I mean, It's inevitable because their are two Sub-HQ's that are quite close, and Goblin Town has 2 openings: The Carrock (should be the normal region, not the HQ) and the High Pass. )
So. . . Who's ready to fight an Unending battle in two locations? Isengard will help (most likely, I'll send a small-to-large contingent up to assist) plus we'll have Moria/Goblin Town, so we just need around 10,000 More to win each time.
On another note, How many Isengard and Wild Men Troops am I getting? CC?
You'll be granted a small force to be used in regions where I deem them important to be.
Heeeyyyy, I remember you! xD Pretty good, though school has been difficult recently. I'll survive, though. I believe is was 2ic at Isengard at one point. The 1ic wasn't that active, so I practically led two HQs. Sadly, I think we'll still be on opposite sides. I'd like to take over Mirkwood, seeing as it has no leader and I've wanted to change sides. Although I'd like to know, Lorien is much closer to Dol Guldur than it is to Mirkwood. Suppose I do lead Mirkwood - would I automatically have Lorien, or would I have to take it like any other region? Because it seems like Dol Guldur or some other place would be able to take it faster than I could. And since I've never led an elven HQ, is the normal elven value 1.3 MWE? And would the same apply for Lorien?
You will have to claim it, and trust me I've got the same concerns. I'm leading Moria, and I'm closer to Rivendell (Bree's Sub HQ) and we're equal distances away from the High Pass and my Sub-HQ of Goblin Town. If push comes to shove, I'm probably going to trade Rivendell for the Goblin HQ, and then push my way out. I'm 2ic of Isengard in this RP, and I believe EmeraldEddie is 3ic (might not be him, but their already is one.)
MM, I'm fairly certain Sub HQs start out with 10,000 MWE
Forochel Forodwaith Forlindon Northern Ered Luin, Blue Mountains Evendim North Downs Angmar Mt. Gundabad ~ Gundabad Orc Sub HQ Ered Mithrim, Grey Mountains Withered Heath Iron Hills ~ Dwarf Sub HQ Rhûn ~ Easterling HQ The Carrock ~ Beornings Sub HQ Mirkwood ~ Silvan Elves HQ Erebor ~ Dwarf HQ; Leader: KK Dale ~ Bardings HQ; Leader: 8legos Esgorath Celduin The Ettenmoors The Grey Havens The Shire The Old Forest (?) Southern Ered Luin, Blue Mountains Bree(land) ~ Eriador HQ; Leader: EE Lone Lands Amon Sûl, Weathertop Cardolan Trollshaws Rivendell ~ Noldorin High Elves Sub HQ High Pass MM Goblin Town ~ Goblins of the Misty Mountains Sub HQ Gladden Fields Vale of the Anduin Central Mirkwood West Rhovanion East Rhovanion South Rhovanion Dorwinion Brown Lands Dol Guldur ~ Mirkwood Orc HQ; Leader: Tuvok Eregion (Hollin) MM Moria ~ Moria Orc HQ; Leader: MM Dimrill Dale MM Caradhras, Redhorn Pass MM Lothlorien ~ Elven Sub HQ Minhiriath Tharbad Enedwaith Dunland ~ Dunlending Sub HQ Adorn MM Gap of Rohan MM Druwaith Iaur MM Isengard ~ Uruk-Hai HQ; Leader: CC Parth Celebrant Wold Fangorn Forest ~ Ent Sub HQ West Emnet Helm's Deep Edoras ~ Rohirrim HQ; Leader: legoaquilino East Emnet East Fold Emyn Muil Anorien Nindalf, Noman-Lands Dagorlad Cirith Gorgor; The Morannon, The Black Gate North Ithilien Cair Andros Henneth Annûn Minas Tirith ~ Men of Gondor HQ; leader: Lego Builder Pelennor Fields Mordor ~ Host of Mordor HQ; leader: Shamrock Cirith Ungol Minas Morgul ~ Morgul Host Sub HQ Osgiliath The Crossroads The Morgul Vale Emyn Arnen South Ithilien Lebennin Pelargir Lamedon Dol Amroth ~ Swan Knight Sub HQ Anfalas Andrast Tolfalas Crossings of Poros Harondor Harad ~ Haradrim HQ; Leader: MLB Khand ~ Variag Sub HQ Umbar ~ Corsair Sub HQ
Each HQ has been assigned their Leader as well. We still need a Mirkwood and Rhun leader.
Assuming this is the Full List of Regions. . . I've already got 7 of them, which I believe are all in the Isengard/Moria/Goblin Town areas. I will need a bit of help telling me what borders what and their Geography (I can do Hollin, the 3 passes, and the Dimrill Dale in Geography, although I don't know what will border what for 90% of this stuff.)
MM, we will NOT be starting with any regions claimed! This is an RP reset, you need to understand that.
OK, after watching some YouTube videos, rewatching the movies, and spending about an hour putting this together in my mind, I think I am ready to talk about this subject, hopefully for the last time. (sorry for the ginormous post this is and the later ones that will happen in advance Mods.)
About the Armor of Trolls:
OK, so the First point is Troll Skin. All of this will either be IRL information, or from the movies, as the book does not state anything about this subject. Now, let's look at the two big parts of the Trolls in the movies, Cave Trolls and Mordor Trolls. So, Cave Trolls, Against Axes, Swords and Arrows. Axes worked just fine for their size, and swords made decent sized cuts as well. However, Arrows and the Javelin both had a bit of a problem. The Arrows were barely even noticed, except for the ones shot from the head, and the one shot into the one place without skin, the mouth. The Head was not effective, it merely hurt. While this did hurt, it really just made the troll mad. Javelins were similar, although it wasn't really meant for throwing, the one that Aragorn threw. He did it, but it was too long for a proper spear, and it failed to peirce much further than the arrows. It did something similar to the arrows at the top of the head, and that it it. For the Mordorian trolls, we see them taking dozens of arrows in the neck, armits and essentially anywhere where their armor isn't their (this will come into play later) and still surviving. We did see one troll fall by arrows, but it was one out of a dozen or so. Now, lets go inside. Mordor Trolls DID fall by the javelins and spears used by the gondorians, implying that they are weaker than the Cave Troll. So, my first point is that their is Canon evidence that troll skin is immune to being smashed by arrows.
Second Point, is Armor. this gets more into IRL information, which came from the YouTube Videos. First off, plate armor (the majority of a Heavily Armored Trolls armor) is, IRL, almost impossible to get almost anything through. A Troll would have a much larger plate, and so would be immune. Now, their is still the Neck, and the Armpits and so forth. However, IRL, chain mail and leather/cloth was protecting these locations. And considering how the Leather/Cloth layer could often stop a sharp sword blade, it is essentially even easier to say that. Oh and this point is not mute because of Canon showing trolls without proper armor, because that Movies give HUMANS improper armor, so what do you think they'll do to a non-human character with armor?
Now, I understand that their is a need for Weaknesses of trolls. Which why I understand that Lances, Javelins and Siege Weapons all need to be able to smash a troll. However, I used the examples of Javelins failing to hopefully, FINALLY get people to admit that arrows would not destroy my Heavily Armored Trolls. And that thrown Javelins are not the best weapon against them, because they are projectiles and as such will not have a force pushing it past the skin.
Thank you for your time, I've been annoyed at this ever since. . . Anorien was about the first time I used the Trolls actually. So Anorien. Had them all the time, but Anorien was the only time they caused problems or were even used mostly.
I will only point out that the Orcs/Goblins of Moria never used heavily armoured trolls.
Canonically, maybe not. However, it's been one of my units for at least a year, so. . .
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
Assuming this is the Full List of Regions. . . I've already got 7 of them, which I believe are all in the Isengard/Moria/Goblin Town areas. I will need a bit of help telling me what borders what and their Geography (I can do Hollin, the 3 passes, and the Dimrill Dale in Geography, although I don't know what will border what for 90% of this stuff.)
MM, we will NOT be starting with any regions claimed! This is an RP reset, you need to understand that.
I know. My point is that I plan to have my HQ's own them (and fight for them and claim them) so I feel like I may as well post them. I'll be working in those regions a lot, so I post them, same as I did for the Fourth Age RP.
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
You will have to claim it, and trust me I've got the same concerns. I'm leading Moria, and I'm closer to Rivendell (Bree's Sub HQ) and we're equal distances away from the High Pass and my Sub-HQ of Goblin Town. If push comes to shove, I'm probably going to trade Rivendell for the Goblin HQ, and then push my way out. I'm 2ic of Isengard in this RP, and I believe EmeraldEddie is 3ic (might not be him, but their already is one.)
MM, I'm fairly certain Sub HQs start out with 10,000 MWE
What do you mean? None of the Sub HQ's are automatically claimed as far as I know.
Tul Generas of the Orcs, Darthraxx of the dragon Knights. I RP, and have lots of fun.
