Oh, it is 100% true. (Honestly, though, how else could Darth maul have known they were on Tatooine?) Jar Jar was not an actual Sith (there can only be two), but I don't think it's ridiculous to think he could have been in league with them. At least as far as the feature films are concerned, it's a little harder to believe in The Clone Wars.
I totally agree with you. Also, I think it gives Jar Jar more reason to be in the movies. We just have to overlook some of the Clone Wars.
Unfortunately it just can't really be accepted as part of the wider canon because so much expanded material just doesn't leave room for it to be true, whether you follow the canon or Legends timeline. I do think it was a possibility at the time of Episodes I and II being made, and perhaps even was planned at some point but as much fun as it is to believe it it's not really reasonable to do so... but even still I do. *shrug* But no, you can't overlook The Clone Wars, it's some of the absolute best Star Wars content.
To be fair Chris Terrio has won an Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay, I don't think we can say it's all his fault just because he's contributed to messy films.
I agree. They kind of set up her heritage as a mystery in VII, but it was more of a character arc thing than an actual important part of the plot. So after VIII revealed she was a nobody they should have stuck with that. If VIII had revealed something else it would be fine, but retconning VIII's reveal (but also trying to make it still be kind of true) just felt really lame.
I guess you have a point. Totally forgot about "that" movie.
I think it's the other way around: the reveal is essential to the plot, well, originally until VIII's reveal.
Totally agree with you there. They kind of closed the branches to make the SW universe bigger. What's worse is that Palpatine is technically her father given that he's a failed clone.
I'm not really familiar with it at all, I just found out from a Google search that he had contributed to an Oscar-winning screenplay. Of course no matter what we can't objectively say that he's a bad writer, but he doesn't have a very large body of work and other than the one Oscar winner, all the other films he's worked on seem to have been poorly received by critics. But we can't say with certainty that any of them were his fault, as he was never the only writer on any. Generally I'm not willing to place the blame on any single person for a movie failing, even if I don't like a movie I can usually respect at least some of the effort that was put into it.
What I meant was that if you take out the quest for answers about Rey's parentage, the main plot of the sequel trilogy doesn't change aside from Rey's personal journey and character development. The Resistance, First Order, Republic, Jedi, Sith, all that stays the same regardless of who Rey is or where she came from. I honestly think she would have made most of the same choices in IX even if she hadn't learned she was a Palpatine, so in mind that reveal is kind of useless especially since the reveal in VIII made much more sense thematically for her character.
Yeah, I don't really get the clone thing... like, obviously he's still the same person, so I guess he transferred his spirit to a failed clone body??? I don't know, it's all dumb and doesn't make sense but to be honest I'm willing to just accept it. I really love all the Star Wars movies despite their flaws, I can acknowledge their flaws which are sometimes enormous but I can generally look past them and enjoy them all the same. Honestly the flaws and inconsistencies are part of what makes Star Wars so endearing to me, it makes it really fun to talk about and there's honestly no end to the conversations that can be had about it because it's just so rich and multi-faceted. For example, I love LotR way more than Star Wars because it's basically perfect, but a conversation about Star Wars will always be more interesting because there's so much to discuss and debate, which is lots of fun as long as it's respectful. That's why Star Wars is so fun to be a fan of.
I totally agree with you. Also, I think it gives Jar Jar more reason to be in the movies. We just have to overlook some of the Clone Wars.
Unfortunately it just can't really be accepted as part of the wider canon because so much expanded material just doesn't leave room for it to be true, whether you follow the canon or Legends timeline. I do think it was a possibility at the time of Episodes I and II being made, and perhaps even was planned at some point but as much fun as it is to believe it it's not really reasonable to do so... but even still I do. *shrug* But no, you can't overlook The Clone Wars, it's some of the absolute best Star Wars content.
Ah yeah, I see what you mean. I do agree, the Clone Wars is the best of Star Wars. I know people who have only seen the Clone Wars but never the movies
Unfortunately it just can't really be accepted as part of the wider canon because so much expanded material just doesn't leave room for it to be true, whether you follow the canon or Legends timeline. I do think it was a possibility at the time of Episodes I and II being made, and perhaps even was planned at some point but as much fun as it is to believe it it's not really reasonable to do so... but even still I do. *shrug* But no, you can't overlook The Clone Wars, it's some of the absolute best Star Wars content.
Ah yeah, I see what you mean. I do agree, the Clone Wars is the best of Star Wars. I know people who have only seen the Clone Wars but never the movies
I'm not entirely sure if I'm comfortable saying it's the absolute best but it's pretty close. It's definitely more intellectually mature than the movies despite being a cartoon.
I guess you have a point. Totally forgot about "that" movie.
I think it's the other way around: the reveal is essential to the plot, well, originally until VIII's reveal.
Totally agree with you there. They kind of closed the branches to make the SW universe bigger. What's worse is that Palpatine is technically her father given that he's a failed clone.
I'm not really familiar with it at all, I just found out from a Google search that he had contributed to an Oscar-winning screenplay. Of course no matter what we can't objectively say that he's a bad writer, but he doesn't have a very large body of work and other than the one Oscar winner, all the other films he's worked on seem to have been poorly received by critics. But we can't say with certainty that any of them were his fault, as he was never the only writer on any. Generally I'm not willing to place the blame on any single person for a movie failing, even if I don't like a movie I can usually respect at least some of the effort that was put into it.
What I meant was that if you take out the quest for answers about Rey's parentage, the main plot of the sequel trilogy doesn't change aside from Rey's personal journey and character development. The Resistance, First Order, Republic, Jedi, Sith, all that stays the same regardless of who Rey is or where she came from. I honestly think she would have made most of the same choices in IX even if she hadn't learned she was a Palpatine, so in mind that reveal is kind of useless especially since the reveal in VIII made much more sense thematically for her character.
Yeah, I don't really get the clone thing... like, obviously he's still the same person, so I guess he transferred his spirit to a failed clone body??? I don't know, it's all dumb and doesn't make sense but to be honest I'm willing to just accept it. I really love all the Star Wars movies despite their flaws, I can acknowledge their flaws which are sometimes enormous but I can generally look past them and enjoy them all the same. Honestly the flaws and inconsistencies are part of what makes Star Wars so endearing to me, it makes it really fun to talk about and there's honestly no end to the conversations that can be had about it because it's just so rich and multi-faceted. For example, I love LotR way more than Star Wars because it's basically perfect, but a conversation about Star Wars will always be more interesting because there's so much to discuss and debate, which is lots of fun as long as it's respectful. That's why Star Wars is so fun to be a fan of.
You have a point there.
Idk, I always thought that her subplot in the first two ST films were all about her heritage, but that's me, I guess.
That's the thing. Basically, we're looking at two Palpatine clones now and it just doesn't make sense anymore to say that Palps is her grandfather if you think about it. You're right about that. As much as I dislikes Episodes I and II, at least they have interesting concepts around it, and that even led to the expanding to The Clone Wars and maybe Rebels. As much as I was disappointed with TROS, I'm still glad we got another Star Wars movie in this generation because it's always been cool or awesome for all ages. I saw it with my whole class from school as my History teacher gave us free tickets to it and only less than 5 of us out of 40 are fans of Star Wars. It still felt nice to see why we love Star Wars.
However, as someone who loves movies in general, TROS still disappointed me. But then there's still more stories to tell in that universe.
Ah yeah, I see what you mean. I do agree, the Clone Wars is the best of Star Wars. I know people who have only seen the Clone Wars but never the movies
I'm not entirely sure if I'm comfortable saying it's the absolute best but it's pretty close. It's definitely more intellectually mature than the movies despite being a cartoon.
Yeah. I think most people can agree a more mature Anakin is more fun to watch. The best of Star Wars might be the Yoda Chronicles, but I could be wrong.
I'm not really familiar with it at all, I just found out from a Google search that he had contributed to an Oscar-winning screenplay. Of course no matter what we can't objectively say that he's a bad writer, but he doesn't have a very large body of work and other than the one Oscar winner, all the other films he's worked on seem to have been poorly received by critics. But we can't say with certainty that any of them were his fault, as he was never the only writer on any. Generally I'm not willing to place the blame on any single person for a movie failing, even if I don't like a movie I can usually respect at least some of the effort that was put into it.
What I meant was that if you take out the quest for answers about Rey's parentage, the main plot of the sequel trilogy doesn't change aside from Rey's personal journey and character development. The Resistance, First Order, Republic, Jedi, Sith, all that stays the same regardless of who Rey is or where she came from. I honestly think she would have made most of the same choices in IX even if she hadn't learned she was a Palpatine, so in mind that reveal is kind of useless especially since the reveal in VIII made much more sense thematically for her character.
Yeah, I don't really get the clone thing... like, obviously he's still the same person, so I guess he transferred his spirit to a failed clone body??? I don't know, it's all dumb and doesn't make sense but to be honest I'm willing to just accept it. I really love all the Star Wars movies despite their flaws, I can acknowledge their flaws which are sometimes enormous but I can generally look past them and enjoy them all the same. Honestly the flaws and inconsistencies are part of what makes Star Wars so endearing to me, it makes it really fun to talk about and there's honestly no end to the conversations that can be had about it because it's just so rich and multi-faceted. For example, I love LotR way more than Star Wars because it's basically perfect, but a conversation about Star Wars will always be more interesting because there's so much to discuss and debate, which is lots of fun as long as it's respectful. That's why Star Wars is so fun to be a fan of.
You have a point there.
Idk, I always thought that her subplot in the first two ST films were all about her heritage, but that's me, I guess.
That's the thing. Basically, we're looking at two Palpatine clones now and it just doesn't make sense anymore to say that Palps is her grandfather if you think about it. You're right about that. As much as I dislikes Episodes I and II, at least they have interesting concepts around it, and that even led to the expanding to The Clone Wars and maybe Rebels. As much as I was disappointed with TROS, I'm still glad we got another Star Wars movie in this generation because it's always been cool or awesome for all ages. I saw it with my whole class from school as my History teacher gave us free tickets to it and only less than 5 of us out of 40 are fans of Star Wars. It still felt nice to see why we love Star Wars.
However, as someone who loves movies in general, TROS still disappointed me. But then there's still more stories to tell in that universe.
Yeah, it was a major part of her subplot but what I meant is it mostly affected her personal journey as a character, and it's not really relevant to the plot of what's actually happening in the galaxy like Snoke and Palpatine are.
Exactly. It'll always be fun to be a Star Wars fan no matter how good or bad the content is because there's always so much to talk about, so I love it flaws and all.
I'm not entirely sure if I'm comfortable saying it's the absolute best but it's pretty close. It's definitely more intellectually mature than the movies despite being a cartoon.
Yeah. I think most people can agree a more mature Anakin is more fun to watch. The best of Star Wars might be the Yoda Chronicles, but I could be wrong.
Yep. And I also meant more mature as in the subject matter of the plot and the kinds of questions it raises about the morality of war, cloning, the Jedi Order, etc. The main saga films never really prompted me to give those concepts more than a passing casual thought.
It sure could've been. I mean, Solo, AOTC, and TPM rank lower for me, though they do have much more interesting concepts than TROS imo.
Yeah. TPM is my third favorite I wonder where this would have gone with George Lucas. Would he have had a bunch of yesmen on the newer movies too?
Really, there's no telling but we do know he had an outline for VII-IX and I'm pretty sure a lot of it has been revealed... maybe not the ending but at least the setup in VII with the main characters and general direction for the story has. I'm not really familiar with it but now that the canon saga has been completed maybe we'll get to learn more about the plans he had.
Yeah. I think most people can agree a more mature Anakin is more fun to watch. The best of Star Wars might be the Yoda Chronicles, but I could be wrong.
Yep. And I also meant more mature as in the subject matter of the plot and the kinds of questions it raises about the morality of war, cloning, the Jedi Order, etc. The main saga films never really prompted me to give those concepts more than a passing casual thought.
Ah yeah, probably.
Mhm, there was definitely more deep thought put int TCW. Plus, some of the most favorite SW characters are in it. Ahsoka, Rex, Cody, etc.
Yeah. TPM is my third favorite I wonder where this would have gone with George Lucas. Would he have had a bunch of yesmen on the newer movies too?
Really, there's no telling but we do know he had an outline for VII-IX and I'm pretty sure a lot of it has been revealed... maybe not the ending but at least the setup in VII with the main characters and general direction for the story has. I'm not really familiar with it but now that the canon saga has been completed maybe we'll get to learn more about the plans he had.
A lot has been revealed, yes, but would it have been like the prequels where all the other people working on the movie just say "Yeah yeah, good idea Mr. Lucas!"? Or would some of them actually challenge his ideas to make it better (which happened in A New Hope bc apparently his first version sucked )
Yep. And I also meant more mature as in the subject matter of the plot and the kinds of questions it raises about the morality of war, cloning, the Jedi Order, etc. The main saga films never really prompted me to give those concepts more than a passing casual thought.
Ah yeah, probably.
Mhm, there was definitely more deep thought put int TCW. Plus, some of the most favorite SW characters are in it. Ahsoka, Rex, Cody, etc.
Technically Cody was introduced on screen in Episode III but yeah. (I'll never forgive him for smashing Boga. )
(Honestly, though, how else could Darth maul have known they were on Tatooine?) Jar Jar was not an actual Sith (there can only be two), but I don't think it's ridiculous to think he could have been in league with them. At least as far as the feature films are concerned, it's a little harder to believe in The Clone Wars.
But no, you can't overlook The Clone Wars, it's some of the absolute best Star Wars content.
But no, you can't overlook The Clone Wars, it's some of the absolute best Star Wars content.
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