Technically, the big critics matter a lotttttttt, IDK were you got that info, no offense. I do see what your talking about though.
Look at it this way, who's opinion do you trust more:
A guy in a suit who doesn't really care about Star Wars and judges a movie solely on its own merits, regardless of whether it is a sequel to a superior original work.
Or a fan who saw the movie, saw flaws in it, and is able to point out how to contradicts past continuity.
See, the fan's emotional investment is greater, and often it is the true fans of a franchise that give the important points of criticism that actually matter. A lot of the things in the Last Jedi that don't sit well with a fan are going to simply fly over the heads of a detached professional who doesn't know all that much about Star Wars.
Also -- if you're really curious, I got my info from common sense and logic Just by looking at the situation, I can make generalizations about who will be the better critics of a movie, crazy, right?
Now, sometimes, the reverse is also true: Fans might love a movie, but critics will hate it. A perfect example of this is the brilliant work UHF. Fans of Weird Al ended up loving it, but critics who were thinking too professionally going into the movie didn't get its humor.
In short: critics don't really matter. The masses who actually watch the movie and judge it for themselves from different points of views are the ones whose opinions actually matter, because they're the ones who are going to have the most emotional investment in a given work.
This is all I'm trying to get across
If you still want to read reviews by professional critics, that's okay: but make sure you also think for yourself. Don't let a critic stop you from watching a good movie, and don't let a critic encourage you to watch a bad one. Make your own judgements, it's the only real way to know whether you'll like a movie or not.
Well, the critics can't make you watch or stop you from watching a good/bad movie if you have to watch it yourself to determine its merit in the first place.
In other words, if you can't label a movie as good or bad before you've seen it, then your second-to-last sentence doesn't make sense. That is all.
There's some legitimately huge plot holes, the Resistance as a whole is a boring faction, the Canto Bight thing was pointless both in the plot and the film, the writing for Rose was bad(I personally didn't mind the acting), Kylo's still a whiny brat after killing the Supreme Leader, and there is no way Phasma should have been killed that easily.
On the plus side, Rey is definitely out of Mary Sue territory at this point.
I must disagree for two big reasons.
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
Look at it this way, who's opinion do you trust more:
A guy in a suit who doesn't really care about Star Wars and judges a movie solely on its own merits, regardless of whether it is a sequel to a superior original work.
Or a fan who saw the movie, saw flaws in it, and is able to point out how to contradicts past continuity.
See, the fan's emotional investment is greater, and often it is the true fans of a franchise that give the important points of criticism that actually matter. A lot of the things in the Last Jedi that don't sit well with a fan are going to simply fly over the heads of a detached professional who doesn't know all that much about Star Wars.
Also -- if you're really curious, I got my info from common sense and logic Just by looking at the situation, I can make generalizations about who will be the better critics of a movie, crazy, right?
Now, sometimes, the reverse is also true: Fans might love a movie, but critics will hate it. A perfect example of this is the brilliant work UHF. Fans of Weird Al ended up loving it, but critics who were thinking too professionally going into the movie didn't get its humor.
In short: critics don't really matter. The masses who actually watch the movie and judge it for themselves from different points of views are the ones whose opinions actually matter, because they're the ones who are going to have the most emotional investment in a given work.
This is all I'm trying to get across
If you still want to read reviews by professional critics, that's okay: but make sure you also think for yourself. Don't let a critic stop you from watching a good movie, and don't let a critic encourage you to watch a bad one. Make your own judgements, it's the only real way to know whether you'll like a movie or not.
Well, the critics can't make you watch or stop you from watching a good/bad movie if you have to watch it yourself to determine its merit in the first place.
In other words, if you can't label a movie as good or bad before you've seen it, then your second-to-last sentence doesn't make sense. That is all.
What part of "This is all I'm trying to get across " did you not understand, praytell? I thought that sentence was pretty self-explanatory.
There's some legitimately huge plot holes, the Resistance as a whole is a boring faction, the Canto Bight thing was pointless both in the plot and the film, the writing for Rose was bad(I personally didn't mind the acting), Kylo's still a whiny brat after killing the Supreme Leader, and there is no way Phasma should have been killed that easily.
On the plus side, Rey is definitely out of Mary Sue territory at this point.
I must disagree for two big reasons.
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
I rest my case.
You know -- the Resistance wasn't so much "boring" as they were frustratingly incompetent (seriously, I don't care what you say. That pink-haired lady DOES NOT know how to lead people and make them trust her).
And as for Canto Bight being 'pointless' ... So was Oola's dance in Jabba's Palace. So was, to an extent, all the close-ups of aliens in Mos Eisley. Could Finn and Rose's time of been better spent there? Sure. But they did find the 'master code breaker', which they explicitly needed to infiltrate the First Order's capital ship (though, admittedly, the fact their mission failed spectacularly did render everything they had done up to that point as meaningless). Nevertheless, though: the reasons such scenes as Canto Bight and the Mos Eisley cantina exist is for one reason, and one reason only: world building. Showing off a facet of the universe that had not been seen up to that point. If you need a reason to dislike the Last Jedi -- there are MUCH worse flaws than a seemingly pointless sequence of watching rich aliens gamble in a space-casino.
To be quite honest, I'd rather watch Canto Bight twice than have to see Luke die once
There's some legitimately huge plot holes, the Resistance as a whole is a boring faction, the Canto Bight thing was pointless both in the plot and the film, the writing for Rose was bad(I personally didn't mind the acting), Kylo's still a whiny brat after killing the Supreme Leader, and there is no way Phasma should have been killed that easily.
On the plus side, Rey is definitely out of Mary Sue territory at this point.
I must disagree for two big reasons.
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
Well, the critics can't make you watch or stop you from watching a good/bad movie if you have to watch it yourself to determine its merit in the first place.
In other words, if you can't label a movie as good or bad before you've seen it, then your second-to-last sentence doesn't make sense. That is all.
What part of "This is all I'm trying to get across " did you not understand, praytell? I thought that sentence was pretty self-explanatory.
He means “Don't let a critic stop you from watching a good movie, and don't let a critic encourage you to watch a bad one.” A sentence, not paragraph.
There's some legitimately huge plot holes, the Resistance as a whole is a boring faction, the Canto Bight thing was pointless both in the plot and the film, the writing for Rose was bad(I personally didn't mind the acting), Kylo's still a whiny brat after killing the Supreme Leader, and there is no way Phasma should have been killed that easily.
On the plus side, Rey is definitely out of Mary Sue territory at this point.
I must disagree for two big reasons.
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
I rest my case.
You know -- the Resistance wasn't so much "boring" as they were frustratingly incompetent (seriously, I don't care what you say. That pink-haired lady DOES NOT know how to lead people and make them trust her).
And as for Canto Bight being 'pointless' ... So was Oola's dance in Jabba's Palace. So was, to an extent, all the close-ups of aliens in Mos Eisley. Could Finn and Rose's time of been better spent there? Sure. But they did find the 'master code breaker', which they explicitly needed to infiltrate the First Order's capital ship (though, admittedly, the fact their mission failed spectacularly did render everything they had done up to that point as meaningless). Nevertheless, though: the reasons such scenes as Canto Bight and the Mos Eisley cantina exist is for one reason, and one reason only: world building. Showing off a facet of the universe that had not been seen up to that point. If you need a reason to dislike the Last Jedi -- there are MUCH worse flaws than a seemingly pointless sequence of watching rich aliens gamble in a space-casino.
To be quite honest, I'd rather watch Canto Bight twice than have to see Luke die once
The Resistance is the Rebel Alliance with half of the tech and none of the originality. All of the stuff except the bombers and the transport craft(which is just odd) are from the Rebels, to the point where in canon it genuinely doesn't make sense. They could have at least had new vehicles of some kind, but no. There's nothing even vaguely interesting about them. As proof, in Star Wars Battlefront 2 shout inspiring words to their troops during their healing move(for reference, the Clone one is "For the honour of our brothers"). The Resitance one? "Remember the general's words". DICE couldn't think of anything for them to say other than how Leia is great. And yes their leadership is stupid.
There's a difference between those three things. We didn't know anything about Jabba's Palace or Mos Eisley at the time, so thise establishing shots told us about what kind of places they were(and in the former introduced us to the Rancor). We already knew Canto Bight was a casino from Maz's comments, so all we needed was an establishing shot to show us "This is a casino. There's rich people. Find Master Codebreaker." And I did point out other reasons to dislike the film, they're all there.
I've never cared much for Luke. It's probably the reason I actually liked him in this film. Give me Rex or Ashoka any day and I'll be fine.
You know -- the Resistance wasn't so much "boring" as they were frustratingly incompetent (seriously, I don't care what you say. That pink-haired lady DOES NOT know how to lead people and make them trust her).
And as for Canto Bight being 'pointless' ... So was Oola's dance in Jabba's Palace. So was, to an extent, all the close-ups of aliens in Mos Eisley. Could Finn and Rose's time of been better spent there? Sure. But they did find the 'master code breaker', which they explicitly needed to infiltrate the First Order's capital ship (though, admittedly, the fact their mission failed spectacularly did render everything they had done up to that point as meaningless). Nevertheless, though: the reasons such scenes as Canto Bight and the Mos Eisley cantina exist is for one reason, and one reason only: world building. Showing off a facet of the universe that had not been seen up to that point. If you need a reason to dislike the Last Jedi -- there are MUCH worse flaws than a seemingly pointless sequence of watching rich aliens gamble in a space-casino.
To be quite honest, I'd rather watch Canto Bight twice than have to see Luke die once
The Resistance is the Rebel Alliance with half of the tech and none of the originality. All of the stuff except the bombers and the transport craft(which is just odd) are from the Rebels, to the point where in canon it genuinely doesn't make sense. They could have at least had new vehicles of some kind, but no. There's nothing even vaguely interesting about them. As proof, in Star Wars Battlefront 2 shout inspiring words to their troops during their healing move(for reference, the Clone one is "For the honour of our brothers"). The Resitance one? "Remember the general's words". DICE couldn't think of anything for them to say other than how Leia is great. And yes their leadership is stupid.
There's a difference between those three things. We didn't know anything about Jabba's Palace or Mos Eisley at the time, so thise establishing shots told us about what kind of places they were(and in the former introduced us to the Rancor). We already knew Canto Bight was a casino from Maz's comments, so all we needed was an establishing shot to show us "This is a casino. There's rich people. Find Master Codebreaker." And I did point out other reasons to dislike the film, they're all there.
I've never cared much for Luke. It's probably the reason I actually liked him in this film. Give me Rex or Ashoka any day and I'll be fine.
*Head is tilted sideways, and begins to vibrate. Emarcee is looking at you funny and clearly trying to not get triggered.*
Y'know -- in defense of the Resistance:
1. It's 2018. Screen-writers nowadays are idiots and can't pull off a good reboot/continuation for the life of them.
2. That said -- it's been established that (for SOME reason) the neo-republic refused to touch the First Order, which left Leia and anyone willing to not be a lazy scrub on their own to fight space-fascism. Therefore, the Resistance's resources would be justifiably small (even the original rebellion had some support from sympathizers within the Empire, Leia herself and Bail Organa come to mind, and the rebellion's resources were quite limited even back then). This said -- I would argue that the Resistance's fleet was larger in episode VII than it was in episode VI. But now, after several instances of fighting (and indeed, the complete annihilation of SEVERAL planets that otherwise would have been funding/supplying the Resistance) I think the shrinking of the Resistance fleet is justified.
Also -- to be fair: Disney has to prey on our nostalgia somehow, and rehashing the X-wings and A-wings is just the way to do that :3
Well, the critics can't make you watch or stop you from watching a good/bad movie if you have to watch it yourself to determine its merit in the first place.
In other words, if you can't label a movie as good or bad before you've seen it, then your second-to-last sentence doesn't make sense. That is all.
What part of "This is all I'm trying to get across " did you not understand, praytell? I thought that sentence was pretty self-explanatory.
That's the fourth-to-last sentence. What I meant was that "Don't let a critic stop you from watching a good movie, and don't let a critic encourage you to watch a bad one." didn't make sense since good and bad are opinion and you determine them for yourself, which was the point you were trying to make. If you haven't seen a movie yet, then you can't consider it good or bad at all. So it just could have been worded better is all, but I understood what you meant.
The Resistance is not boring. Exhibit A: "March of the Resistance" by John Williams
Canto Bight was not pointless. Exhibit B: "Canto Bight" by John Williams
I rest my case.
You know -- the Resistance wasn't so much "boring" as they were frustratingly incompetent (seriously, I don't care what you say. That pink-haired lady DOES NOT know how to lead people and make them trust her).
And as for Canto Bight being 'pointless' ... So was Oola's dance in Jabba's Palace. So was, to an extent, all the close-ups of aliens in Mos Eisley. Could Finn and Rose's time of been better spent there? Sure. But they did find the 'master code breaker', which they explicitly needed to infiltrate the First Order's capital ship (though, admittedly, the fact their mission failed spectacularly did render everything they had done up to that point as meaningless). Nevertheless, though: the reasons such scenes as Canto Bight and the Mos Eisley cantina exist is for one reason, and one reason only: world building. Showing off a facet of the universe that had not been seen up to that point. If you need a reason to dislike the Last Jedi -- there are MUCH worse flaws than a seemingly pointless sequence of watching rich aliens gamble in a space-casino.
To be quite honest, I'd rather watch Canto Bight twice than have to see Luke die once
You're right that she wasn't good at making people trust her, but she did have reason not to tell Poe the plan at least. Why there were others that joined him, I don't know. I'm assuming she just kept the plan known to only a few high-ranking officers in case there was a spy on board, which seems like a safe precaution to take seeing as how the FO just tracked them through light-speed. What doesn't make sense is why she wouldn't at least let them know there was a plan.
I'm so glad you aren't throwing tons of hate at the Canto Bight subplot. It did end up playing into the themes of the movie very well, and was as you said, a great world-building effort.
While I also did not like Luke dying, it was definitely a very beautiful and meaningful scene. Plus, he's pretty much guaranteed to return as a ghost, so I'm not that bummed about it.
Just by looking at the situation, I can make generalizations about who will be the better critics of a movie, crazy, right?
