Star Wars: The Last Jedi is getting a lot of hate. And I'm here to find out why.
All I see on the Internet are vague reasons that seem like they should be mild annoyances at worst, as well as crazy senseless reasons that essentially boil down specific wants and expectations that weren't fulfilled.
So I am here to understand. And to defend an excellent film.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Because no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
Once you go through all of it it all comes down to the core, where it’s just that their theory wasn't fulfilled and they need a reason to hate the movie for it.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is getting a lot of hate. And I'm here to find out why.
All I see on the Internet are vague reasons that seem like they should be mild annoyances at worst, as well as crazy senseless reasons that essentially boil down specific wants and expectations that weren't fulfilled.
So I am here to understand. And to defend an excellent film.
SORT-OF SPOILERS (I'm not putting in Jammers, cause honestly what are you even doing on this thread if you haven't seen it)
I don't know, there are some legitimate gripes, but none that are really as big a deal as people make them out to be. The only complaint I thought was valid and made me ponder a bit was the question of why Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan, but someone pointed out to me that there could have been a spy on board and so she wanted as few people as possible to know. So it wasn't only the fact that she wanted to teach him his place, although that may have helped.
Leia is a Skywalker, and she's used the Force before. While I think that scene wasn't executed perfectly, I thought it was an awesome moment for Carrie Fisher.
Lando is cool and all, but Billy Dee Williams isn't in good health right now. Plus, we're getting Lando in Solo.
What was wrong with Luke's death?
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Leia is a Skywalker, and she's used the Force before. While I think that scene wasn't executed perfectly, I thought it was an awesome moment for Carrie Fisher.
Lando is cool and all, but Billy Dee Williams isn't in good health right now. Plus, we're getting Lando in Solo.
What was wrong with Luke's death?
Luke is one of the best characters in Star Wars. Also the way he died he went like Obi-wan.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is getting a lot of hate. And I'm here to find out why.
All I see on the Internet are vague reasons that seem like they should be mild annoyances at worst, as well as crazy senseless reasons that essentially boil down specific wants and expectations that weren't fulfilled.
So I am here to understand. And to defend an excellent film.
SORT-OF SPOILERS (I'm not putting in Jammers, cause honestly what are you even doing on this thread if you haven't seen it)
I don't know, there are some legitimate gripes, but none that are really as big a deal as people make them out to be. The only complaint I thought was valid and made me ponder a bit was the question of why Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan, but someone pointed out to me that there could have been a spy on board and so she wanted as few people as possible to know. So it wasn't only the fact that she wanted to teach him his place, although that may have helped.
Well, I think it was probably because Poe had just made some bad decisions during the evacuation that resulted in his demotion.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
SORT-OF SPOILERS (I'm not putting in Jammers, cause honestly what are you even doing on this thread if you haven't seen it)
I don't know, there are some legitimate gripes, but none that are really as big a deal as people make them out to be. The only complaint I thought was valid and made me ponder a bit was the question of why Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan, but someone pointed out to me that there could have been a spy on board and so she wanted as few people as possible to know. So it wasn't only the fact that she wanted to teach him his place, although that may have helped.
Well, I think it was probably because Poe had just made some bad decisions during the evacuation that resulted in his demotion.
Yeah, I sort of addressed that in the last sentence, I do think that had something to do with it, perhaps that may be the reason why she didn't take him aside and tell him personally.
SORT-OF SPOILERS (I'm not putting in Jammers, cause honestly what are you even doing on this thread if you haven't seen it)
I don't know, there are some legitimate gripes, but none that are really as big a deal as people make them out to be. The only complaint I thought was valid and made me ponder a bit was the question of why Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan, but someone pointed out to me that there could have been a spy on board and so she wanted as few people as possible to know. So it wasn't only the fact that she wanted to teach him his place, although that may have helped.
Well, I think it was probably because Poe had just made some bad decisions during the evacuation that resulted in his demotion.
They made Poe less useful every minute. I think they are pushing certain themes and forgetting others to please certain people. It just didn't feel like Star Wars.
Well, I think it was probably because Poe had just made some bad decisions during the evacuation that resulted in his demotion.
They made Poe less useful every minute. I think they are pushing certain themes and forgetting others to please certain people. It just didn't feel like Star Wars.
Well, I think it was probably because Poe had just made some bad decisions during the evacuation that resulted in his demotion.
They made Poe less useful every minute. I think they are pushing certain themes and forgetting others to please certain people. It just didn't feel like Star Wars.
Well, it's kinda hard to keep making up new ideas and thriller scenes of the movie that haven't been done, to keep the audience hooked. I know that if I saw all of what legoindi said, it would've felt more like the fans controlling Star Wars than Disney controlling Star Wars. I personally thought the film was executed quite well, but there were a few bits that didn't seem quite right.
Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
So in short that's what I think.
(1) Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a bit unrealistic how quickly that she got over him trying to abandon them after praising him to kissing him at the end. If it were a bit extended, like into the next episode, I think that'd be a bit better.
(2)I agree with that. It gets a bit to the point of 'Uhh, what next??' but, then again, that might be something to keep you watching, 'what IS next?' It all just depends.
(3) Well, that might be something that IS a lore builder, I think they may do something with that, about how it did rise. Maybe a TV Series or even a Movie, kinda like Rouge One. I do understand the part about 'Why weren't they stopped? Wasn't the resistance Top Dog after the empire was defeated?' They're all questions that need to be answered, and is something that Star Wars will likely keep up their sleeve. It might make a bit of sense after it's made, but for now, It's all a bit of a blur. We need something to put it into perspective.
(4) That is an interesting way to put it. She is a bit like that.
(5) I'm hope we haven't seen the last of Luke and Leia and think they might continue their story a bit. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks for expressing your opinions, I really liked your points.
Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
So in short that's what I think.
(1) Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a bit unrealistic how quickly that she got over him trying to abandon them after praising him to kissing him at the end. If it were a bit extended, like into the next episode, I think that'd be a bit better.
(2)I agree with that. It gets a bit to the point of 'Uhh, what next??' but, then again, that might be something to keep you watching, 'what IS next?' It all just depends.
(3) Well, that might be something that IS a lore builder, I think they may do something with that, about how it did rise. Maybe a TV Series or even a Movie, kinda like Rouge One. I do understand the part about 'Why weren't they stopped? Wasn't the resistance Top Dog after the empire was defeated?' They're all questions that need to be answered, and is something that Star Wars will likely keep up their sleeve. It might make a bit of sense after it's made, but for now, It's all a bit of a blur. We need something to put it into perspective.
(4) That is an interesting way to put it. She is a bit like that.
(5) I'm hope we haven't seen the last of Luke and Leia and think they might continue their story a bit. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks for expressing your opinions, I really liked your points.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
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We'll just have to wait and see.
We'll just have to wait and see.
