Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
So in short that's what I think.
(1) Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a bit unrealistic how quickly that she got over him trying to abandon them after praising him to kissing him at the end. If it were a bit extended, like into the next episode, I think that'd be a bit better.
(2)I agree with that. It gets a bit to the point of 'Uhh, what next??' but, then again, that might be something to keep you watching, 'what IS next?' It all just depends.
(3) Well, that might be something that IS a lore builder, I think they may do something with that, about how it did rise. Maybe a TV Series or even a Movie, kinda like Rouge One. I do understand the part about 'Why weren't they stopped? Wasn't the resistance Top Dog after the empire was defeated?' They're all questions that need to be answered, and is something that Star Wars will likely keep up their sleeve. It might make a bit of sense after it's made, but for now, It's all a bit of a blur. We need something to put it into perspective.
(4) That is an interesting way to put it. She is a bit like that.
(5) I'm hope we haven't seen the last of Luke and Leia and think they might continue their story a bit. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks for expressing your opinions, I really liked your points.
didnt know if u knew this but carie fisher died so we saw the last of her sadly
(1) Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a bit unrealistic how quickly that she got over him trying to abandon them after praising him to kissing him at the end. If it were a bit extended, like into the next episode, I think that'd be a bit better.
(2)I agree with that. It gets a bit to the point of 'Uhh, what next??' but, then again, that might be something to keep you watching, 'what IS next?' It all just depends.
(3) Well, that might be something that IS a lore builder, I think they may do something with that, about how it did rise. Maybe a TV Series or even a Movie, kinda like Rouge One. I do understand the part about 'Why weren't they stopped? Wasn't the resistance Top Dog after the empire was defeated?' They're all questions that need to be answered, and is something that Star Wars will likely keep up their sleeve. It might make a bit of sense after it's made, but for now, It's all a bit of a blur. We need something to put it into perspective.
(4) That is an interesting way to put it. She is a bit like that.
(5) I'm hope we haven't seen the last of Luke and Leia and think they might continue their story a bit. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks for expressing your opinions, I really liked your points.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Making stupid mistakes is a comic relief position, there is no struggle, I mean I guess the family, but that fell flat on its face in TLJ, so no I still ensist she is a Mary sue.
Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
So in short that's what I think.
1) Fair enough, I concur with this.
2) I don't see what's wrong with little explanation. The Originals had few explanations, and the Prequels overexplained things (think midi-chlorians). If everything eas explained, some of the magic of Star Wars would be lost.
3) So you just prefer your own ideas? That's fine, but you shouldn't dislike TLJ for that, especially since it was TFA that set up the First Order as the more powerful faction, not TLJ.
4) Rey is not a Mary Sue. She has flaws. She is too trustworthy, for one thing, and too optimistic. Her only real skills, from what I've seen, are melee combat, piloting, and understanding languages.
5) Unfortunately, the studio could not predict Carrie's death. And I'm not seeing any evidence that those are the only good roles.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Making stupid mistakes is a comic relief position, there is no struggle, I mean I guess the family, but that fell flat on its face in TLJ, so no I still ensist she is a Mary sue.
How did that fall flat on its face. It emphasized her optimism?
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
(1) Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. It was a bit unrealistic how quickly that she got over him trying to abandon them after praising him to kissing him at the end. If it were a bit extended, like into the next episode, I think that'd be a bit better.
(2)I agree with that. It gets a bit to the point of 'Uhh, what next??' but, then again, that might be something to keep you watching, 'what IS next?' It all just depends.
(3) Well, that might be something that IS a lore builder, I think they may do something with that, about how it did rise. Maybe a TV Series or even a Movie, kinda like Rouge One. I do understand the part about 'Why weren't they stopped? Wasn't the resistance Top Dog after the empire was defeated?' They're all questions that need to be answered, and is something that Star Wars will likely keep up their sleeve. It might make a bit of sense after it's made, but for now, It's all a bit of a blur. We need something to put it into perspective.
(4) That is an interesting way to put it. She is a bit like that.
(5) I'm hope we haven't seen the last of Luke and Leia and think they might continue their story a bit. We'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks for expressing your opinions, I really liked your points.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Thank you Stephanie! You took the words right out of my mouth.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Making stupid mistakes is a comic relief position, there is no struggle, I mean I guess the family, but that fell flat on its face in TLJ, so no I still ensist she is a Mary sue.
How did that fall flat on its face. It emphasized her optimism?
There was no real pay off, it simply failed on principal, that's a very weak ending to such a hyped up event.
Personally it felt like a mess, an utter mess that made little sense, let's get off with the little things:
1) The relationship between Finn and Rose is dull, it was spicy at first but it felt dull after a while.
2) Little to no lore, no explanation for anything, sure people harp on the prequels but they were great for lore building there were future possibilities for it, this movie murdered lore, I mean sure it could be intresting to see who ben solo took with him and what came of them, but that's about it, and snore just dies, like who even is he, how is he in power?
3) The First Order should be the under dog, not the powerful intergalactic power house it is, the resistance should be the new republic beating down this little authoritarian nuscence, which I'm theory shouldn't exist because there is no explanation to its existence or rise to power, what did the galaxy give up on itself and they were the last to care? Total mess.
4) Rey is a Mary sue, a Mary sue is a character that is great at everything and anything, these characters are a symbol of bad writing and rey is the most prominent example, she is just randomly good at everything, because the force said yeah you should be, she matched Kylo Ren's force power, with basically no training and in the last episode defeated kylo with no lightsaber training, Vader was scary Vader was one to destroy, and it humanised Luke, here well there is no emotion from Rey, or either of them.
5) 4 good roles, and that's Carrie Fisher as Leia, Adam Driver as Kylo Ren , Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker and Peter Mayhew / Joonas Suotam as Chewbacca. All great roles filled by great characters, except Carrie Fisher is dead in real life, luke died in the end, and that leaves us with chewy who is there for comedic effect and to be the loveable action here, aswell as adam driver who is the only really lore character.
So in short that's what I think.
1) Fair enough, I concur with this.
2) I don't see what's wrong with little explanation. The Originals had few explanations, and the Prequels overexplained things (think midi-chlorians). If everything eas explained, some of the magic of Star Wars would be lost.
3) So you just prefer your own ideas? That's fine, but you shouldn't dislike TLJ for that, especially since it was TFA that set up the First Order as the more powerful faction, not TLJ.
4) Rey is not a Mary Sue. She has flaws. She is too trustworthy, for one thing, and too optimistic. Her only real skills, from what I've seen, are melee combat, piloting, and understanding languages.
5) Unfortunately, the studio could not predict Carrie's death. And I'm not seeing any evidence that those are the only good roles.
2. Ofcourse, but when there is so little lore in 152 minutes, you get a feeling of more questions than answers and not like complex questions like in the last one, such as: who are Reys parents? Who is snoke? How are these new characters related to everyone? But no: You end up with questions like: Why did Luke suddenly die? Why was this movie so dull and boring? Why are there no more positive characters who aren't super boring? (Aside from Kylo, and Leia (But Carrie Fisher is dead))
3. Yes, it was set up by TFA, also no I don't prefer my own ideas, I would like an explanation or some logic put into this, why are they so powerful, this makes absolutely NO SENSE, atleast based on the lore we have so far.
4. Too optimistic isn't a flaw, and too trustworthy just shows shes inexperienced (only redeeming quality, if that), being optimistic is the same as say oh: person X is not a Mary sue, there main fault is they are too amazing.
5. Rey - Mary Sue Rose - useless fell good character with no inherint value Finn - now that I think about Finn has character development, but he is so bland and uninteresting, in TLJ they might aswell have killed him off in the last movie Poe - just makes everything worse, he isn't a cool rebel, he feels stupider than a stick. DJ - was cool, but too mysterious for anyone too care, people would care if he actually looked good (A new Boba Fett)
2) I don't see what's wrong with little explanation. The Originals had few explanations, and the Prequels overexplained things (think midi-chlorians). If everything eas explained, some of the magic of Star Wars would be lost.
3) So you just prefer your own ideas? That's fine, but you shouldn't dislike TLJ for that, especially since it was TFA that set up the First Order as the more powerful faction, not TLJ.
4) Rey is not a Mary Sue. She has flaws. She is too trustworthy, for one thing, and too optimistic. Her only real skills, from what I've seen, are melee combat, piloting, and understanding languages.
5) Unfortunately, the studio could not predict Carrie's death. And I'm not seeing any evidence that those are the only good roles.
2. Ofcourse, but when there is so little lore in 152 minutes, you get a feeling of more questions than answers and not like complex questions like in the last one, such as: who are Reys parents? Who is snoke? How are these new characters related to everyone? But no: You end up with questions like: Why did Luke suddenly die? Why was this movie so dull and boring? Why are there no more positive characters who aren't super boring? (Aside from Kylo, and Leia (But Carrie Fisher is dead))
3. Yes, it was set up by TFA, also no I don't prefer my own ideas, I would like an explanation or some logic put into this, why are they so powerful, this makes absolutely NO SENSE, atleast based on the lore we have so far.
4. Too optimistic isn't a flaw, and too trustworthy just shows shes inexperienced (only redeeming quality, if that), being optimistic is the same as say oh: person X is not a Mary sue, there main fault is they are too amazing.
5. Rey - Mary Sue Rose - useless fell good character with no inherint value Finn - now that I think about Finn has character development, but he is so bland and uninteresting, in TLJ they might aswell have killed him off in the last movie Poe - just makes everything worse, he isn't a cool rebel, he feels stupider than a stick. DJ - was cool, but too mysterious for anyone too care, people would care if he actually looked good (A new Boba Fett)
2) I thought it was pretty clear why Luke died. He sacrificed himself as a distraction so what's left of the Resistance can escape, and died because he exerted so much effort in the Force, and he was at peace.
3) Again, this could easily turn into overexplanation. We learned everything we needed to know in the opening crawl of TFA. If you really need things overexplained, you can grab one of the numerous books and comics that relate to this. That's what they're for. A movie where characters tell us exactly how the First Order rose to power sounds pretty boring.
4) Since when is being too optimistic not a flaw? And wouldn't being inexperienced be exactly what prevents someone from being a Mary Sue? You're countering your own point here, or you're mistaking a Mary Sue for a strong female character. Could you list what exactly makes her a Mary Sue?
5) Rose wasn't a great character, but she wasn't useless. She inspired hope for the Rebellion and came up with a decent plan (though it did ultimately fail). I do think that Finn was more interesting in TFA, because he had a bigger role. So, while you're exaggerating with Poe, what you're saying is that he's a flawed character. WHich is exactly what makes a character interesting, right?
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Making stupid mistakes is a comic relief position, there is no struggle, I mean I guess the family, but that fell flat on its face in TLJ, so no I still ensist she is a Mary sue.
Her mistakes weren't comic relief. I think Luke showed Rey in TLJ that she didn't really understand her power or anything she had gotten into. She's powerful, resourceful, and intelligent, but she certainly isn't perfect, and they never tried to make her perfect. It was pretty funny and ironic that Rey could use the Force so powerfully, but she didn't even know what it was. And again, not comic relief, more of character development. People are complicated, Rey has the good and bad sides that every character has. Some people could say Obi-Wan Kenobi is too perfect, or Yoda, but the more we see of these characters, the more we realize how complicated it really is.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Thank you Stephanie! You took the words right out of my mouth.
Just a note on the Rey is a Mary Sue thing, I think that is hardly fair. Rey makes many, many mistakes. Her big weakness is her desire for her family, and that really blurs her view of things. In The Last Jedi she becomes so convinced Kylo will turn good that she is fighting with Luke. Then she almost dies by foolishly going to The First Order because she thinks she can turn Kylo.
In The Force Awakens she wasn't perfect either. She made little mistakes, remember it was Rey's fault the Rathtors got out. They almost killed her and all her friends. She also was not very knowledgeable about the Force in TLJ, as we could see, when Luke slapped her with a leaf.
Thank you Stephanie! You took the words right out of my mouth.
I think I said those same words to someone else's point in this topic. So, you took those words outta my mouth!
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is getting a lot of hate. And I'm here to find out why.
All I see on the Internet are vague reasons that seem like they should be mild annoyances at worst, as well as crazy senseless reasons that essentially boil down specific wants and expectations that weren't fulfilled.
So I am here to understand. And to defend an excellent film.
Firstly, it plays like an essay written without the draft. It goes on a tangent from the last film. The fans ask who Snoke is, and Disney goes "IDK, we're too lazy to write him a backstory, so we'll just kill him off". The fans ask who Rey's parents are... Disney hadn't planned that either, so they give us the whole drunk parent thing. THE HYPE IS REAL!
Seriously, someone wrote this the night before it was due. Contract a writer for the entire trilogy and at the very least you'll get consistent characters. What happened to the whole "everybody loves Rey square"? Stormboy, the Red Teletubbie and Manchild Ren all seemed to fancy Rey in JarJar's film. Now Stormboy likes Rose (a women who tied him up and stunned him), Red Teletubbie is too busy showing off to Leia and Purple Hair whilst Ren is trying too hard to be all conflicted and stuff. And then there is Luke. Mark Hamill is disgusted with Disney's treatment of Luke. Need I say more.
It's too drawn out because it's so dialogue heavy. What ever happened to show, don't tell? It's honestly the second thing you learn in story-telling. The first being character development. Something the "writers" (term used loosely) forgot.
It's also incredibly camp, far more camp than the originals. For instance, the Red Teletubbie in the X-Wing is just dumb. The multiple looks of awe the characters give is silly. Looking in awe isn't going to impress me. I'm not impressed that Miss Sue can lift a bunch of rocks.
HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE. Yes we get it. There is no hope that the endless referrals to ANH will get older fans to like this film. It's having a laugh at those who loved the originals... And maybe even the prequels. We've been aged out of the 2.5 hour toy advertisements. I think I'll just stick to reading fanfictions, at least they admit that they're fanfictions.
However, the one good thing about this film is that I didn't pay to see it. Thank you for the popcorn McDonald's, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing my manager burst out laughing at the Yoda puppet who spent far too much time in Oscar the Grouch's bin. That's probably all I can say as I don't remember the finer points of the film... If there were any finer points.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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