Ok, I'm still working on him. I got busy with school.
He is going to hate the men of Dol Amroth (our enemy's) since they killed his family. But he will be loyal to Umbar because he know that they are his best shot at getting revenge.
That's okay, I understand:). Sounds great, I love that idea:D!
I finshed it Here it is. I sorry for the spelling, spellcheck isn't working on my computer right now.
"DIGS BIO
Name: Azrubêl
Posation/titles: Head of House Castimar, Steward of Umbar, King of Ardumir, Lord of the Black Fleet, Guardian of the Havens, Shadow Friend.
Description: Tall man, but not quite as tall as the Numenorion lords of old. Has the apperince of an Gondorion Lord before the Kin Strife.
Weapons: Ashandarei, sword, throwing knives, crossbow. Plate armor of the royal house of the Kindom of Gondor.
Bio: When the sons of Castimar fled to Umbar they where gladly welcome but meany of the people of Umbar did not trust them, show they where kindly shown the gate and given the city of Ardumir. Which has been lead by the house of Castimar and its people since. They have since turned Ardumir into a place of beauty and wonder, full of many fountions and high towers. As well as the most massive palice in middle earth.
The men of House Castimar are brought up in the manner of the Gondorions of old. And are taught fighting both in a formation and alone, and are experite spear and swords men. They are also trained in diplomacy and politics as they may one day have to lead the city Ardumir.
Azrubel’s family was all killed by Dol Amrothian Privateers while on a vacation south of the city when Azubel was just 10. He was captured with his guard but on the way back to Dol Amroth a storm came and recked the ship against the shore, eventually Azrubel made his way back to Umbar and from there to Ardumir. Where he became the head of House Castimar. From that day he has had a burning hatred for the men of Dol Amroth and will never rest until the Sea-Ward tower is toppled and the the head of the Prince, and every firstborn are piled at his feet. This can make him a bit rash and bold in battles, but it can also push him to take risks and win battles. After his returned he turned to the study of war and quickly came the best general of Umbar perhaps except the Emperor himself. He also trained himself in the way of the assassin, and always has several knives on him, for throwing or using. And is an highly skilled marksmen with the crossbow. "
I was slightly annoyed when I posted that. I mainly ment it to MM and Turvok. So I appolgise to you and LegoBuilder.
I am going to take tolflast. and from their probly going up the anduin to attack Pleagar and S ithilan. It depends on where the battle lines. But I will mist likly go up the river at the battle or just behind enemy lines. and then we can trap them from two directions.
That's okay, I understand:). Sounds great, I love that idea:D!
I finshed it Here it is. I sorry for the spelling, spellcheck isn't working on my computer right now.
"DIGS BIO
Name: Azrubêl
Posation/titles: Head of House Castimar, Steward of Umbar, King of Ardumir, Lord of the Black Fleet, Guardian of the Havens, Shadow Friend.
Description: Tall man, but not quite as tall as the Numenorion lords of old. Has the apperince of an Gondorion Lord before the Kin Strife.
Weapons: Ashandarei, sword, throwing knives, crossbow. Plate armor of the royal house of the Kindom of Gondor.
Bio: When the sons of Castimar fled to Umbar they where gladly welcome but meany of the people of Umbar did not trust them, show they where kindly shown the gate and given the city of Ardumir. Which has been lead by the house of Castimar and its people since. They have since turned Ardumir into a place of beauty and wonder, full of many fountions and high towers. As well as the most massive palice in middle earth.
The men of House Castimar are brought up in the manner of the Gondorions of old. And are taught fighting both in a formation and alone, and are experite spear and swords men. They are also trained in diplomacy and politics as they may one day have to lead the city Ardumir.
Azrubel’s family was all killed by Dol Amrothian Privateers while on a vacation south of the city when Azubel was just 10. He was captured with his guard but on the way back to Dol Amroth a storm came and recked the ship against the shore, eventually Azrubel made his way back to Umbar and from there to Ardumir. Where he became the head of House Castimar. From that day he has had a burning hatred for the men of Dol Amroth and will never rest until the Sea-Ward tower is toppled and the the head of the Prince, and every firstborn are piled at his feet. This can make him a bit rash and bold in battles, but it can also push him to take risks and win battles. After his returned he turned to the study of war and quickly came the best general of Umbar perhaps except the Emperor himself. He also trained himself in the way of the assassin, and always has several knives on him, for throwing or using. And is an highly skilled marksmen with the crossbow. "
Love it, thanks so much:D! I will copy that name as I don't know how to type accents:P.
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I was slightly annoyed when I posted that. I mainly ment it to MM and Turvok. So I appolgise to you and LegoBuilder.
I am going to take tolflast. and from their probly going up the anduin to attack Pleagar and S ithilan. It depends on where the battle lines. But I will mist likly go up the river at the battle or just behind enemy lines. and then we can trap them from two directions.
Those plans make sense. Just watch out for DA. I have no idea what Shamrock plans to do, but it may very well be by sea, in which case you'd probably be his target. But that sounds doable.
The day of prosperity makes one forget adversity; The day of adversity makes one forget prosperity.
I finshed it Here it is. I sorry for the spelling, spellcheck isn't working on my computer right now.
"DIGS BIO
Name: Azrubêl
Posation/titles: Head of House Castimar, Steward of Umbar, King of Ardumir, Lord of the Black Fleet, Guardian of the Havens, Shadow Friend.
Description: Tall man, but not quite as tall as the Numenorion lords of old. Has the apperince of an Gondorion Lord before the Kin Strife.
Weapons: Ashandarei, sword, throwing knives, crossbow. Plate armor of the royal house of the Kindom of Gondor.
Bio: When the sons of Castimar fled to Umbar they where gladly welcome but meany of the people of Umbar did not trust them, show they where kindly shown the gate and given the city of Ardumir. Which has been lead by the house of Castimar and its people since. They have since turned Ardumir into a place of beauty and wonder, full of many fountions and high towers. As well as the most massive palice in middle earth.
The men of House Castimar are brought up in the manner of the Gondorions of old. And are taught fighting both in a formation and alone, and are experite spear and swords men. They are also trained in diplomacy and politics as they may one day have to lead the city Ardumir.
Azrubel’s family was all killed by Dol Amrothian Privateers while on a vacation south of the city when Azubel was just 10. He was captured with his guard but on the way back to Dol Amroth a storm came and recked the ship against the shore, eventually Azrubel made his way back to Umbar and from there to Ardumir. Where he became the head of House Castimar. From that day he has had a burning hatred for the men of Dol Amroth and will never rest until the Sea-Ward tower is toppled and the the head of the Prince, and every firstborn are piled at his feet. This can make him a bit rash and bold in battles, but it can also push him to take risks and win battles. After his returned he turned to the study of war and quickly came the best general of Umbar perhaps except the Emperor himself. He also trained himself in the way of the assassin, and always has several knives on him, for throwing or using. And is an highly skilled marksmen with the crossbow. "
Love it, thanks so much:D! I will copy that name as I don't know how to type accents:P.
Your welcome! I'm glad you like it. I don't know eather. To be honest I copied it off Numenorion name list online:P.
I was slightly annoyed when I posted that. I mainly ment it to MM and Turvok. So I appolgise to you and LegoBuilder.
I am going to take tolflast. and from their probly going up the anduin to attack Pleagar and S ithilan. It depends on where the battle lines. But I will mist likly go up the river at the battle or just behind enemy lines. and then we can trap them from two directions.
Those plans make sense. Just watch out for DA. I have no idea what Shamrock plans to do, but it may very well be by sea, in which case you'd probably be his target. But that sounds doable.
Thanks for the warning. I know that's on of the reasons why I want Tolfalast. Umbar will have heavy fortaficanions and deffinces from both land and sea.
8Legos, you do know that there were no Black Numenoreans left in umbar at this time, right? The House of Castamir died out long since. There would be no Numenorean or Gondorian heritage left in
Umbar. There would certainly not be the greatest palce in Middle-earth.
And there is no such thing as a Dol Amrothian privateer.
8Legos, you do know that there were no Black Numenoreans left in umbar at this time, right? The House of Castamir died out long since. There would be no Numenorean or Gondorian heritage left in
Umbar. There would certainly not be the greatest palce in Middle-earth.
And there is no such thing as a Dol Amrothian privateer.
Where did the Mouth of Sauron come from? He was a Black Numenorean. And say if the same lessing happened in the Black Numenorion colinys he couldn't be much over 70. which means that their was still Numenorions at the end of the third age, and should still be at the beginning of the forth age.
Where does it say that House Castamir died out? I can't find anything on that. It would not have been deluded as Gondor was ether. Since the kin strife was about the king of Gondor marring outside of Numenorion blood. I can't imagine that they would do the same thing.
Are you sure? It was built by the Numenorions in the peak of there power. It could vary easy could have been.
Yes. Yes there is. Why would their not be? Almost every kingdom in history has used privateers at one point. Even if they don't admit it .
Beside, we can stretch lore a small bit in bios where it doesn't realy matter. Can't I have some fun with this?
8Legos, you do know that there were no Black Numenoreans left in umbar at this time, right? The House of Castamir died out long since. There would be no Numenorean or Gondorian heritage left in
Umbar. There would certainly not be the greatest palce in Middle-earth.
And there is no such thing as a Dol Amrothian privateer.
Where did the Mouth of Sauron come from? He was a Black Numenorean. And say if the same lessing happened in the Black Numenorion colinys he couldn't be much over 70. which means that their was still Numenorions at the end of the third age, and should still be at the beginning of the forth age.
Where does it say that House Castamir died out? I can't find anything on that. It would not have been deluded as Gondor was ether. Since the kin strife was about the king of Gondor marring outside of Numenorion blood. I can't imagine that they would do the same thing.
Are you sure? It was built by the Numenorions in the peak of there power. It could vary easy could have been.
Yes. Yes there is. Why would their not be? Almost every kingdom in history has used privateers at one point. Even if they don't admit it .
Beside, we can stretch lore a small bit in bios where it doesn't realy matter. Can't I have some fun with this?
From appendix A, disscussing how Umbar was originaly a stronghold of the King's men: "...who hated all the followers of Elendil. After the fall of Sauron their race dwindled or became merged with of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor".
And the context is the beginning of the third age, so the fall fo Sauron mentioned is most likely the War of the Last Alliance.
From later, about how Telumehtar "..gathered his forces and in 1810 took Umbar by storm. In that war the last descendants of Castimir perished." That is very clear. When Umbar fell again, it was to the men of Harad.
Which of course raises the question of where the Mouth of Sauron came From. It's possible Tolkien just made a continuity error.
Considering Umbar was warred over multiple times, even if the Numenoreans had originally built some magnificent palace there, it could quite possibly have been destroyed or damaged. I don't mind you having a nice place, My point was that greatest in Midde-earth is a stretch.
Where did the Mouth of Sauron come from? He was a Black Numenorean. And say if the same lessing happened in the Black Numenorion colinys he couldn't be much over 70. which means that their was still Numenorions at the end of the third age, and should still be at the beginning of the forth age.
Where does it say that House Castamir died out? I can't find anything on that. It would not have been deluded as Gondor was ether. Since the kin strife was about the king of Gondor marring outside of Numenorion blood. I can't imagine that they would do the same thing.
Are you sure? It was built by the Numenorions in the peak of there power. It could vary easy could have been.
Yes. Yes there is. Why would their not be? Almost every kingdom in history has used privateers at one point. Even if they don't admit it .
Beside, we can stretch lore a small bit in bios where it doesn't realy matter. Can't I have some fun with this?
From appendix A, disscussing how Umbar was originaly a stronghold of the King's men: "...who hated all the followers of Elendil. After the fall of Sauron their race dwindled or became merged with of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor".
And the context is the beginning of the third age, so the fall fo Sauron mentioned is most likely the War of the Last Alliance.
From later, about how Telumehtar "..gathered his forces and in 1810 took Umbar by storm. In that war the last descendants of Castimir perished." That is very clear. When Umbar fell again, it was to the men of Harad.
Which of course raises the question of where the Mouth of Sauron came From. It's possible Tolkien just made a continuity error.
Considering Umbar was warred over multiple times, even if the Numenoreans had originally built some magnificent palace there, it could quite possibly have been destroyed or damaged. I don't mind you having a nice place, My point was that greatest in Midde-earth is a stretch.
Except Middle-earth isn't actual history.
Sorry. I get to uptight about Tolkien sometimes.
After some impromptu research, I have to critique both arguments here.
The House of Castamir died out, but they weren't the only Black Numenoreans in M-E. The Numenoreans had many colonies south of Umbar in Harad; it is said in the final chapter of the Silmarillion that "in the east and the south well nigh all men were under [Sauron's] dominion.". Also in that chapter, Tolkien mentions two Black Numenoreans, Herumor and Fuinir, who, in the late 2nd Age, rose to power among the Haradrim.
While these and other such men almost certainly became mixed with the lesser men of Harad, they would still have some of the Numenorean blood in them. When the men of Harad retook Umbar, it may very well have been at the urging of (and under the command of) these partial Numenoreans.
For whatever it's worth, Tolkien Gateway also states that Queen Beruthiel was a Black Numenorean. It does have a couple sources, albeit ones not from Tolkien himself.
All that being said, the depiction of Umbar as a dark-but-pure Numenorean haven is unrealistic. There were probably some men with a bit of Numenorean blood in them, but nothing extensive. An amazing palace also seems unrealistic. And privateers...eh....I just don't see DA having those.
The day of prosperity makes one forget adversity; The day of adversity makes one forget prosperity.
From appendix A, disscussing how Umbar was originaly a stronghold of the King's men: "...who hated all the followers of Elendil. After the fall of Sauron their race dwindled or became merged with of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor".
And the context is the beginning of the third age, so the fall fo Sauron mentioned is most likely the War of the Last Alliance.
From later, about how Telumehtar "..gathered his forces and in 1810 took Umbar by storm. In that war the last descendants of Castimir perished." That is very clear. When Umbar fell again, it was to the men of Harad.
Which of course raises the question of where the Mouth of Sauron came From. It's possible Tolkien just made a continuity error.
Considering Umbar was warred over multiple times, even if the Numenoreans had originally built some magnificent palace there, it could quite possibly have been destroyed or damaged. I don't mind you having a nice place, My point was that greatest in Midde-earth is a stretch.
Except Middle-earth isn't actual history.
Sorry. I get to uptight about Tolkien sometimes.
After some impromptu research, I have to critique both arguments here.
The House of Castamir died out, but they weren't the only Black Numenoreans in M-E. The Numenoreans had many colonies south of Umbar in Harad; it is said in the final chapter of the Silmarillion that "in the east and the south well nigh all men were under [Sauron's] dominion.". Also in that chapter, Tolkien mentions two Black Numenoreans, Herumor and Fuinir, who, in the late 2nd Age, rose to power among the Haradrim.
While these and other such men almost certainly became mixed with the lesser men of Harad, they would still have some of the Numenorean blood in them. When the men of Harad retook Umbar, it may very well have been at the urging of (and under the command of) these partial Numenoreans.
For whatever it's worth, Tolkien Gateway also states that Queen Beruthiel was a Black Numenorean. It does have a couple sources, albeit ones not from Tolkien himself.
All that being said, the depiction of Umbar as a dark-but-pure Numenorean haven is unrealistic. There were probably some men with a bit of Numenorean blood in them, but nothing extensive. An amazing palace also seems unrealistic. And privateers...eh....I just don't see DA having those.
Ok No house of Castamir then.
I would imagine that there would be at least some pure Numenoreans still though, not a lot but a few.
Its not a pure Numenorean Haven. Their is two parts to the city, the pirate haven, and the city itself. The (partial) Numenoreans would be the leaders of the city, the more Numenorion blood you have the higher you stand, with the leaders be (almost) pure Numenoren.
Ok then a Dol Amroth raid, don't tell me they didn't raid, they could of had a hard year and they might of needed to raid to survive.
Where did the Mouth of Sauron come from? He was a Black Numenorean. And say if the same lessing happened in the Black Numenorion colinys he couldn't be much over 70. which means that their was still Numenorions at the end of the third age, and should still be at the beginning of the forth age.
Where does it say that House Castamir died out? I can't find anything on that. It would not have been deluded as Gondor was ether. Since the kin strife was about the king of Gondor marring outside of Numenorion blood. I can't imagine that they would do the same thing.
Are you sure? It was built by the Numenorions in the peak of there power. It could vary easy could have been.
Yes. Yes there is. Why would their not be? Almost every kingdom in history has used privateers at one point. Even if they don't admit it .
Beside, we can stretch lore a small bit in bios where it doesn't realy matter. Can't I have some fun with this?
From appendix A, disscussing how Umbar was originaly a stronghold of the King's men: "...who hated all the followers of Elendil. After the fall of Sauron their race dwindled or became merged with of Middle-earth, but they inherited without lessening their hatred of Gondor".
And the context is the beginning of the third age, so the fall fo Sauron mentioned is most likely the War of the Last Alliance.
From later, about how Telumehtar "..gathered his forces and in 1810 took Umbar by storm. In that war the last descendants of Castimir perished." That is very clear. When Umbar fell again, it was to the men of Harad.
Which of course raises the question of where the Mouth of Sauron came From. It's possible Tolkien just made a continuity error.
Considering Umbar was warred over multiple times, even if the Numenoreans had originally built some magnificent palace there, it could quite possibly have been destroyed or damaged. I don't mind you having a nice place, My point was that greatest in Midde-earth is a stretch.
Except Middle-earth isn't actual history.
Sorry. I get to uptight about Tolkien sometimes.
Ok thanks, but it didn't say that they died out, "diminished" is not the same as 'extinct' or 'destroyed'
But as EE said it was led by a few Numenorion survivors.
That's posibal, or it could be that their where still some Numenorions.
Its not Umbar that had the palace, but another city in the reagon, I also didn't say greatest, its the largest. And the only one else who would realy have a great palace would be Gondor or Harad. And there is no record of Gondor having a great palace, maybe in Osgiliath, but that was destroyed. And I don't realy see Harad having the largest palace in middle earth. So its not as unreasonable as it sounds.
Hay digs, can you reply to this to check in and clam your troops. If you don't I'll just keep them either at the HQ on deffince or with the main Umbarian army ready for you at any time.