I'm still mad they killed off Obi-Wan in episode IV!
I’m still super mad they killed Yoda in his second movie. He had no reason to die, he died for absolutely no reason at all!
I still think TK102 could've been a great character. They introduced him in IV but just killed him off without giving him any sort of story!
To be fair though... the characters that have died in this new trilogy... they're different...
to be honest it would have been altogether MORE subversive if Luke DIDN'T die, if you think about it -- moviegoers are all too familiar with the trope of beloved characters who we don't want to see die just throwing their lived away in a fit of martyrdom... I breathed an intense sigh of relief when I saw that Luke was just projecting a force hologram the whole time... and felt a figurative knife in my gut as I saw him turning transparent. The 'heroic' martyr is my most hated trope in film and media, and it needs to stop. There is always another way out of a dangerous situation -- you just need to be smarter.
I’m still super mad they killed Yoda in his second movie. He had no reason to die, he died for absolutely no reason at all!
I still think TK102 could've been a great character. They introduced him in IV but just killed him off without giving him any sort of story!
To be fair though... the characters that have died in this new trilogy... they're different...
to be honest it would have been altogether MORE subversive if Luke DIDN'T die, if you think about it -- moviegoers are all too familiar with the trope of beloved characters who we don't want to see die just throwing their lived away in a fit of martyrdom... I breathed an intense sigh of relief when I saw that Luke was just projecting a force hologram the whole time... and felt a figurative knife in my gut as I saw him turning transparent. The 'heroic' martyr is my most hated trope in film and media, and it needs to stop. There is always another way out of a dangerous situation -- you just need to be smarter.
Unrelated note -- thy profile picture is amazing.
I don’t mind common tropes if they’re executed well, and I thought Luke’s death was.
And thank you for complimenting my profile pic.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
I wish I could agree, but I'm honestly pretty sure that a large part of it just comes from mindless trolls who are hating for the sake of it. Or just out of principle for it being under Disney. They've made themselves blind to the fun that can be had with these new movies. I'm sorry if you feel that way and I can respect it, I just wish some people would be as quick to see the good in these films as they are to see the bad. I mean, lots of people had a blast watching TLJ (I know I did), but some people just weren't willing to see that it could be fun and let themselves enjoy it. I just feel sorry when people can't enjoy a movie that had so much work and thought put into it. I'm not going to try and change your mind on VIII, but I do ask you to at least try to enjoy Episode IX when it comes out. Just let yourself have fun when you first watch the finale of the Skywalker Saga (even if it isn't the same as we'd have gotten from GL), and maybe then you can criticize later if you really want to.
Well... here's the thing:
I wanted to see the good in these films. I went into episode VII nervous but hyped all the same... it was a fun and satisfying ride... right up until the end of course T_T
Still, though: I was willing to enjoy TLJ if Luke was done right, and I was looking forward to see what would happen with Kylo Ren's character.
They delivered on the second bit... but not at all on the first bit. In my opinion it seems like Disney is purposely trying to 'subtlely' subvert Star Wars so as to remove all the old characters we love, and superimpose new ones to make their own brand and... well, that's just not a bandwagon I can get behind. As much as I want to like Kylo, Rey, and the rest -- I just can't trade them for the likes of Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. I don't want to stay in one spot, but TLJ pretty much drew a line in the sand: either kill the past to walk into the future, or cling to it and don't... and if I have to make that choice, I'd quite honestly prefer to go one step further and kill the future so I can enjoy the past undisturbed.
That's just my take on it of course. I understand that about 49% (or less) of people who saw the movie were prepared to make that leap... but I'm just not.
That's fair, I guess. You are definitely one of the more reasonable TLJ haters I've encountered, and I like that.
I’m still super mad they killed Yoda in his second movie. He had no reason to die, he died for absolutely no reason at all!
I still think TK102 could've been a great character. They introduced him in IV but just killed him off without giving him any sort of story!
To be fair though... the characters that have died in this new trilogy... they're different...
to be honest it would have been altogether MORE subversive if Luke DIDN'T die, if you think about it -- moviegoers are all too familiar with the trope of beloved characters who we don't want to see die just throwing their lived away in a fit of martyrdom... I breathed an intense sigh of relief when I saw that Luke was just projecting a force hologram the whole time... and felt a figurative knife in my gut as I saw him turning transparent. The 'heroic' martyr is my most hated trope in film and media, and it needs to stop. There is always another way out of a dangerous situation -- you just need to be smarter.
Unrelated note -- thy profile picture is amazing.
I honestly felt certain that Luke was going to survive VIII and die in IX before TLJ came out. (Although I also don't think that specific choice was subversive, the hologram was, but not the death.)
Self-sacrifice is an extremely meaningful thing, and there's a reason why it's in a lot of movies. It's a trope that can't really be gotten rid of. I do understand the way you felt, though. I honestly felt the same way when Luke faded away, I felt stunned and confused after having experienced relief. But it didn't take me long to accept it, especially since he'll obviously be able to return as a ghost.
I still think TK102 could've been a great character. They introduced him in IV but just killed him off without giving him any sort of story!
To be fair though... the characters that have died in this new trilogy... they're different...
to be honest it would have been altogether MORE subversive if Luke DIDN'T die, if you think about it -- moviegoers are all too familiar with the trope of beloved characters who we don't want to see die just throwing their lived away in a fit of martyrdom... I breathed an intense sigh of relief when I saw that Luke was just projecting a force hologram the whole time... and felt a figurative knife in my gut as I saw him turning transparent. The 'heroic' martyr is my most hated trope in film and media, and it needs to stop. There is always another way out of a dangerous situation -- you just need to be smarter.
Unrelated note -- thy profile picture is amazing.
I don’t mind common tropes if they’re executed well, and I thought Luke’s death was.
And thank you for complimenting my profile pic.
Same. The binary sunset was just....ugh... (That was a good ugh. )
I still think TK102 could've been a great character. They introduced him in IV but just killed him off without giving him any sort of story!
To be fair though... the characters that have died in this new trilogy... they're different...
to be honest it would have been altogether MORE subversive if Luke DIDN'T die, if you think about it -- moviegoers are all too familiar with the trope of beloved characters who we don't want to see die just throwing their lived away in a fit of martyrdom... I breathed an intense sigh of relief when I saw that Luke was just projecting a force hologram the whole time... and felt a figurative knife in my gut as I saw him turning transparent. The 'heroic' martyr is my most hated trope in film and media, and it needs to stop. There is always another way out of a dangerous situation -- you just need to be smarter.
Unrelated note -- thy profile picture is amazing.
I don’t mind common tropes if they’re executed well, and I thought Luke’s death was.
And thank you for complimenting my profile pic.
Well -- common tropes in filmmaking are common for a reason: they're safe story elements to add that people don't usually complain about unless they're executed poorly (which they were).
The Last Jedi, however, was very open and boisterous about supposedly being a 'subversive' film. With this concept in mind, then, Luke's death becomes even more angering and frusterating. It didn't need to happen, and by the movie's own initial logic: it's the very thing they were supposedly trying to avoid. In fact -- all Rian Johnson really did was play around with the timing of existing story elements and tropes... tropes that are in the places they were in for a reason. If he really wanted to make a subversive film, he should have actively avoided them, and made something that was actually unique and different
I wanted to see the good in these films. I went into episode VII nervous but hyped all the same... it was a fun and satisfying ride... right up until the end of course T_T
Still, though: I was willing to enjoy TLJ if Luke was done right, and I was looking forward to see what would happen with Kylo Ren's character.
They delivered on the second bit... but not at all on the first bit. In my opinion it seems like Disney is purposely trying to 'subtlely' subvert Star Wars so as to remove all the old characters we love, and superimpose new ones to make their own brand and... well, that's just not a bandwagon I can get behind. As much as I want to like Kylo, Rey, and the rest -- I just can't trade them for the likes of Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. I don't want to stay in one spot, but TLJ pretty much drew a line in the sand: either kill the past to walk into the future, or cling to it and don't... and if I have to make that choice, I'd quite honestly prefer to go one step further and kill the future so I can enjoy the past undisturbed.
That's just my take on it of course. I understand that about 49% (or less) of people who saw the movie were prepared to make that leap... but I'm just not.
That's fair, I guess. You are definitely one of the more reasonable TLJ haters I've encountered, and I like that.
It's a lot of effort to not come off as too whiney and actually keep trying to present logical arguments
Honestly -- I wouldn't mind rewatching the movie, but I would need to put it into a video editor and have the movie cut to the next seen before Luke disapeers -- that way the reveal that Luke was just a hologram actually gives catharsis and doesn't seem like a pointless vain effort.
Luke might as well of physically been on salt-hot and let Kylo stab him if he was just gonna die from exhaustion after that stunt.
I don’t mind common tropes if they’re executed well, and I thought Luke’s death was.
And thank you for complimenting my profile pic.
Well -- common tropes in filmmaking are common for a reason: they're safe story elements to add that people don't usually complain about unless they're executed poorly (which they were).
The Last Jedi, however, was very open and boisterous about supposedly being a 'subversive' film. With this concept in mind, then, Luke's death becomes even more angering and frusterating. It didn't need to happen, and by the movie's own initial logic: it's the very thing they were supposedly trying to avoid. In fact -- all Rian Johnson really did was play around with the timing of existing story elements and tropes... tropes that are in the places they were in for a reason. If he really wanted to make a subversive film, he should have actively avoided them, and made something that was actually unique and different
I think this depends on very personal expectations. I honestly didn’t think Luke would die in Episode VIII.
Ignore everything I say, to the best of your ability.
Well -- common tropes in filmmaking are common for a reason: they're safe story elements to add that people don't usually complain about unless they're executed poorly (which they were).
The Last Jedi, however, was very open and boisterous about supposedly being a 'subversive' film. With this concept in mind, then, Luke's death becomes even more angering and frusterating. It didn't need to happen, and by the movie's own initial logic: it's the very thing they were supposedly trying to avoid. In fact -- all Rian Johnson really did was play around with the timing of existing story elements and tropes... tropes that are in the places they were in for a reason. If he really wanted to make a subversive film, he should have actively avoided them, and made something that was actually unique and different
I think this depends on very personal expectations. I honestly didn’t think Luke would die in Episode VIII.
See -- that's how manipulative this film is.
I didn't -- then I did, then I didn't and was relieved, excited, and happy... then he did die, and I was just exacerbatedly mad.
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