I read Job, Satan does not rule the world. God gave Satan authority to ruin Job's life to see if Job would still be faithful to God without all his riches and luxury. Satan does not have the authority to do that to just anyone, he had to go through God to get it; its not like he can do that to just any of us. God would not allow it.
And about this "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's" thing, I noticed you seem to render to God what is God's, but that passage also means you must fulfill your obligations to your government, not just to God. As a citizen of the U.S. you have obligations towards it, like taxes, following the law, and serving in the army if you are called upon to do that. I've noticed you are backhanded in your dealings with the government.
In a sense Satan does have power, he seems to even somewhat control weather, Yes we pay Taxes, follow the Law IF it doesn't effect our Beliefs, I refuse to serve in the army, we are pacifists and that's taking part in Government, were not to do so, so no I don't twist it, those who think you can serve in the army or any patriotic thing, especially for religious reasons have twisted it, also Peter talks about Church and State.
And that can be your belief, and you have the freedom to believe it as much as I have the freedom to disagree.
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What does he have to do with this, as I'm not too familiar with him?
Well he's quite evil and has a lot of blood on his hands, if you looked into it he's quite nasty, he is now anti-America but in the past they helped him into power, of course there are hundreds of dictators we placed in and later removed, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Ferdinand Marcos, and many many more.
Okay, yes. None of them are presidents of the United States though.
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If you don't care what governments do, why are you raising such a fit over airport security again?
I attack America and any other nation who is evil, we don't fight them with Violence but that doesn't mean they aren't evil and their faults to be noted.
Isn't that all nations, according to you? If that's the case why aren't you attacking North Korea or Russia? Like I said, I will criticize what my country does wrong and praise what they do right. You seem to only attack the wrongs and ignore all rights.
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I read Job, Satan does not rule the world. God gave Satan authority to ruin Job's life to see if Job would still be faithful to God without all his riches and luxury. Satan does not have the authority to do that to just anyone, he had to go through God to get it; its not like he can do that to just any of us. God would not allow it.
And about this "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's" thing, I noticed you seem to render to God what is God's, but that passage also means you must fulfill your obligations to your government, not just to God. As a citizen of the U.S. you have obligations towards it, like taxes, following the law, and serving in the army if you are called upon to do that. I've noticed you are backhanded in your dealings with the government.
In a sense Satan does have power, he seems to even somewhat control weather, Yes we pay Taxes, follow the Law IF it doesn't effect our Beliefs, I refuse to serve in the army, we are pacifists and that's taking part in Government, were not to do so, so no I don't twist it, those who think you can serve in the army or any patriotic thing, especially for religious reasons have twisted it, also Peter talks about Church and State.
No, you're not getting it. I said the passage in the Bible says you must give the governmentwhat you owe it as well as giving what God what you owe Him. You are living in the United States, receiving it's military protection and service this nation gives its citizens. But you are not willing to repay the government for all its done for you; I don't see how you think you're doing what that passage says. You are willing to receive the benefit of everyone's hard work without giving any in return. If the government was as evil as you claim, you should act as you are acting, but like I said the government is not evil because Satan does not rule the world. If he did rule the world, he would treat the all the good people as he did Job.
I attack America and any other nation who is evil, we don't fight them with Violence but that doesn't mean they aren't evil and their faults to be noted.
Isn't that all nations, according to you? If that's the case why aren't you attacking North Korea or Russia? Like I said, I will criticize what my country does wrong and praise what they do right. You seem to only attack the wrongs and ignore all rights.
I can't figure out if he's mad at America for having too much freedom or too little. Actually, I can, I think he's both. He's upset that the government has breached some of our freedoms, and says America is evil, but also talks about how Christians have it better in countries without freedom, and the says America is evil and Satan has corrupted the truth.
Some of those statements have some truth in them, in some circumstances, but the way he's using them together makes no sense.
I attack America and any other nation who is evil, we don't fight them with Violence but that doesn't mean they aren't evil and their faults to be noted.
Isn't that all nations, according to you? If that's the case why aren't you attacking North Korea or Russia? Like I said, I will criticize what my country does wrong and praise what they do right. You seem to only attack the wrongs and ignore all rights.
Have you noticed how he slams America for any breach of freedom, but when we demonstrate countries that are a thousand times worse, to show how much good America actually has, then he says
that what governments say doesn't matter and they can't do anything to us?
To put it simply: in North Korea, the church is the state.
Far from it, Religion is actually no something Communism has, I mean true Christians who are persecuted in North Korea, do they join the Army? do they swear allegience to the Kim's? Also Tell me another country that Christians swear allegiance to.
Yes. They do swear allegiance to the Kims. They legally have to. Also, there are no Christians in North Korea. They've been told that all religion is completely evil, and that the only good in the world is North Korea.
Anyone like war poetry? This is an Australian one from WWII. To give a very brief explanation, it's about the Papua New Guineans who carried wounded Australian troops though the rough Kokoda Trail. Unfortunately their efforts are not well recognised, but I felt like sharing.
I attack America and any other nation who is evil, we don't fight them with Violence but that doesn't mean they aren't evil and their faults to be noted.
Isn't that all nations, according to you? If that's the case why aren't you attacking North Korea or Russia? Like I said, I will criticize what my country does wrong and praise what they do right. You seem to only attack the wrongs and ignore all rights.
Russia is a great country, crimea belongs to Russia. We have problems to but we are nothing like North Korea or Venezuela where people don't have enough food or medicine.
Far from it, Religion is actually no something Communism has, I mean true Christians who are persecuted in North Korea, do they join the Army? do they swear allegience to the Kim's? Also Tell me another country that Christians swear allegiance to.
Yes. They do swear allegiance to the Kims. They legally have to. Also, there are no Christians in North Korea. They've been told that all religion is completely evil, and that the only good in the world is North Korea.
Have you been to North Korea? There are no Christians, there are Buddhists ask people who have visited the country sure they make up about 1% of the populous that still they have some religious ppl.
Isn't that all nations, according to you? If that's the case why aren't you attacking North Korea or Russia? Like I said, I will criticize what my country does wrong and praise what they do right. You seem to only attack the wrongs and ignore all rights.
Have you noticed how he slams America for any breach of freedom, but when we demonstrate countries that are a thousand times worse, to show how much good America actually has, then he says
that what governments say doesn't matter and they can't do anything to us?
Well there's only so much we can do.
In America's younger years, the point of debates was for two people to show each other their opposing views and do their best in presenting their reasons for their views. Then the loser of the debate would adopt the winner's correct views, but these days most people hold to their views regardless of how many times/ways they've been proven wrong.
Anyone like war poetry? This is an Australian one from WWII. To give a very brief explanation, it's about the Papua New Guineans who carried wounded Australian troops though the rough Kokoda Trail. Unfortunately their efforts are not well recognised, but I felt like sharing.
'Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels' by Bert Beros
Many a mother in Australia
when the busy day is done
Sends a prayer to the Almighty
for the keeping of her son
Asking that an angel guide him
and bring him safely back
Now we see those prayers are answered
on the Owen Stanley Track
For they haven't any halos
only holes slashed in their ears
And their faces worked by tattoos
with scratch pins in their hair
Bringing back the badly wounded
just as steady as a horse
Using leaves to keep the rain off
and as gentle as a nurse
Slow and careful in the bad places
on the awful mountain track
The look upon their faces
would make you think Christ was black
Not a move to hurt the wounded
as they treat him like a saint
It's a picture worth recording
that an artist's yet to paint
Many a lad will see his mother
and husbands see their wives
Just because the fuzzy wuzzy
carried them to save their lives
From mortar bombs and machine gun fire
or chance surprise attacks
To the safety and the care of doctors
at the bottom of the track
May the mothers of Australia
when they offer up a prayer
Mention those impromptu angels
with their fuzzy wuzzy hair.
Anyone else know any historic poetry?
There's the Song of Roland, but that is super long and might be like Shakespear. I could post some of it if you'd like.
Anyone like war poetry? This is an Australian one from WWII. To give a very brief explanation, it's about the Papua New Guineans who carried wounded Australian troops though the rough Kokoda Trail. Unfortunately their efforts are not well recognised, but I felt like sharing.
'Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels' by Bert Beros
Many a mother in Australia
when the busy day is done
Sends a prayer to the Almighty
for the keeping of her son
Asking that an angel guide him
and bring him safely back
Now we see those prayers are answered
on the Owen Stanley Track
For they haven't any halos
only holes slashed in their ears
And their faces worked by tattoos
with scratch pins in their hair
Bringing back the badly wounded
just as steady as a horse
Using leaves to keep the rain off
and as gentle as a nurse
Slow and careful in the bad places
on the awful mountain track
The look upon their faces
would make you think Christ was black
Not a move to hurt the wounded
as they treat him like a saint
It's a picture worth recording
that an artist's yet to paint
Many a lad will see his mother
and husbands see their wives
Just because the fuzzy wuzzy
carried them to save their lives
From mortar bombs and machine gun fire
or chance surprise attacks
To the safety and the care of doctors
at the bottom of the track
May the mothers of Australia
when they offer up a prayer
Mention those impromptu angels
with their fuzzy wuzzy hair.
Anyone else know any historic poetry?
That's... pretty touching, I'll be honest. I love it when people who do great things are finally recognized for their service.
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Anyone like war poetry? This is an Australian one from WWII. To give a very brief explanation, it's about the Papua New Guineans who carried wounded Australian troops though the rough Kokoda Trail. Unfortunately their efforts are not well recognised, but I felt like sharing.
'Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels' by Bert Beros
Many a mother in Australia
when the busy day is done
Sends a prayer to the Almighty
for the keeping of her son
Asking that an angel guide him
and bring him safely back
Now we see those prayers are answered
on the Owen Stanley Track
For they haven't any halos
only holes slashed in their ears
And their faces worked by tattoos
with scratch pins in their hair
Bringing back the badly wounded
just as steady as a horse
Using leaves to keep the rain off
and as gentle as a nurse
Slow and careful in the bad places
on the awful mountain track
The look upon their faces
would make you think Christ was black
Not a move to hurt the wounded
as they treat him like a saint
It's a picture worth recording
that an artist's yet to paint
Many a lad will see his mother
and husbands see their wives
Just because the fuzzy wuzzy
carried them to save their lives
From mortar bombs and machine gun fire
or chance surprise attacks
To the safety and the care of doctors
at the bottom of the track
May the mothers of Australia
when they offer up a prayer
Mention those impromptu angels
with their fuzzy wuzzy hair.
Anyone else know any historic poetry?
There's the Song of Roland, but that is super long and might be like Shakespear. I could post some of it if you'd like.
The Song of Roland is divided into four parts it's super long so here are the first 10 stanzas:
I
Charles the King, our Lord and Sovereign, Full seven years hath sojourned in Spain, Conquered the land, and won the western main, Now no fortress against him doth remain, 5 No city walls are left for him to gain, Save Sarraguce, that sits on high mountain. Marsile its King, who feareth not God's name, Mahumet's man, he invokes Apollin's aid, Nor wards off ills that shall to him attain. AOI.
II
10 King Marsilies he lay at Sarraguce, Went he his way into an orchard cool; There on a throne he sate, of marble blue, Round him his men, full twenty thousand, stood. Called he forth then his counts, also his dukes: 15 "My Lords, give ear to our impending doom: That Emperour, Charles of France the Douce, Into this land is come, us to confuse. I have no host in battle him to prove, Nor have I strength his forces to undo. 20 Counsel me then, ye that are wise and true; Can ye ward off this present death and dule?" What word to say no pagan of them knew, Save Blancandrin, of th' Castle of Val Funde.
III
Blancandrins was a pagan very wise, 25 In vassalage he was a gallant knight, First in prowess, he stood his lord beside. And thus he spoke: "Do not yourself affright! Yield to Carlun, that is so big with pride, Faithful service, his friend and his ally; 30 Lions and bears and hounds for him provide, Thousand mewed hawks, sev'n hundred camelry; Silver and gold, four hundred mules load high; Fifty wagons his wrights will need supply, Till with that wealth he pays his soldiery. 35 War hath he waged in Spain too long a time, To Aix, in France, homeward he will him hie. Follow him there before Saint Michael's tide, You shall receive and hold the Christian rite; Stand honour bound, and do him fealty. 40 Send hostages, should he demand surety, Ten or a score, our loyal oath to bind; Send him our sons, the first-born of our wives; -- An he be slain, I'll surely furnish mine. Better by far they go, though doomed to die, 45 Than that we lose honour and dignity, And be ourselves brought down to beggary." AOI.
IV
Says Blancandrins: "By my right hand, I say, And by this beard, that in the wind doth sway, The Frankish host you'll see them all away; 50 Franks will retire to France their own terrain. When they are gone, to each his fair domain, In his Chapelle at Aix will Charles stay, High festival will hold for Saint Michael. Time will go by, and pass the appointed day; 55 Tidings of us no Frank will hear or say. Proud is that King, and cruel his courage; From th' hostage he'll slice their heads away. Better by far their heads be shorn away, Than that ourselves lose this clear land of Spain, 60 Than that ourselves do suffer grief and pain." "That is well said. So be it." the pagans say.
V
The council ends, and that King Marsilie Calleth aside Clarun of Balaguee, Estramarin and Eudropin his peer, 65 And Priamun and Guarlan of the beard, And Machiner and his uncle Mahee, With Jouner, Malbien from over sea, And Blancandrin, good reason to decree: Ten hath he called, were first in felony. 70 "Gentle Barons, to Charlemagne go ye; He is in siege of Cordres the city. In your right hands bear olive-branches green Which signify Peace and Humility. If you by craft contrive to set me free, 75 Silver and gold, you'll have your fill of me, Manors and fiefs, I'll give you all your need." "We have enough," the pagans straight agree. AOI.
VI
King Marsilies, his council finishing, Says to his men : "Go now, my lords, to him, 80 Olive-branches in your right hands bearing; Bid ye for me that Charlemagne, the King, In his God's name to shew me his mercy; Ere this new moon wanes, I shall be with him; One thousand men shall be my following; 85 I will receive the rite of christening, Will be his man, my love and faith swearing; Hostages too, he'll have, if so he will." Says Blancandrins: "Much good will come of this." AOI.
VII
Ten snow-white mules then ordered Marsilie, 90 Gifts of a King, the King of Suatilie. Bridled with gold, saddled in silver clear; Mounted them those that should the message speak, In their right hands were olive-branches green. Came they to Charle, that holds all France in fee, 95 Yet cannot guard himself from treachery. AOI.
VIII
Merry and bold is now that Emperour, Cordres he holds, the walls are tumbled down, His catapults have battered town and tow'r. Great good treasure his knights have placed in pound, 100 Silver and gold and many a jewelled gown. In that city there is no pagan now But he been slain, or takes the Christian vow. The Emperour is in a great orchard ground Where Oliver and Rollant stand around, 105 Sansun the Duke and Anseis the proud, Gefreid d'Anjou, that bears his gonfaloun; There too Gerin and Geriers are found. Where they are found, is seen a mighty crowd, Fifteen thousand, come out of France the Douce. 110 On white carpets those knights have sate them down, At the game-boards to pass an idle hour; -- Chequers the old, for wisdom most renowned, While fence the young and lusty bachelours. Beneath a pine, in eglantine embow'red, l15 Stands a fald-stool, fashioned of gold throughout; There sits the King, that holds Douce France in pow'r; White is his beard, and blossoming-white his crown, Shapely his limbs, his countenance is proud. Should any seek, no need to point him out. 120 The messengers, on foot they get them down, And in salute full courteously they lout.
IX
The foremost word of all Blancandrin spake, And to the King: "May God preserve you safe, The All Glorious, to Whom ye're bound to pray! 125 Proud Marsilies this message bids me say: Much hath he sought to find salvation's way; Out of his wealth meet presents would he make, Lions and bears, and greyhounds leashed on chain, Thousand mewed hawks, sev'n hundred dromedrays, 130 Four hundred mules his silver shall convey, Fifty wagons you'll need to bear away Golden besants, such store of proved assay, Wherewith full tale your soldiers you can pay. Now in this land you've been too long a day 135 Hie you to France, return again to Aix; Thus saith my Lord, he'll follow too that way." That Emperour t'wards God his arms he raised Lowered his head, began to meditate. AOI.
X
That Emperour inclined his head full low; 140 Hasty in speech he never was, but slow: His custom was, at his leisure he spoke. When he looks up, his face is very bold, He says to them: "Good tidings have you told. King Marsilies hath ever been my foe. 145 These very words you have before me told, In what measure of faith am I to hold?" That Sarrazin says, "Hostages he'll show; Ten shall you take, or fifteen or a score. Though he be slain, a son of mine shall go, 150 Any there be you'll have more nobly born. To your palace seigneurial when you go, At Michael's Feast, called in periculo; My Lord hath said, thither will he follow Ev'n to your baths, that God for you hath wrought; 155 There is he fain the Christian faith to know." Answers him Charles: "Still may he heal his soul." AOI.
