If the US had accepted Japan's surrender which they tried to do way before the bomb was dropped it would have saved waaay more lives!
They weren't going to surrender.
But they tried multiple times and were rejected.
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The Japanese surrender did take place after the bombs were dropped, but this was because the Soviet declaration of war took place between the bombs. The Japanese knew that the United States would at the very least not conquer Japan, where the Soviet Union would have turned Japan into a Soviet territory if the war continued.
Oh, I know. A Soviet Declaration of war, continous conventional bombing, destruction of japanese shipping, and internal unrest could, I think,
quite possibly have made Japan surrender without the bombs.
As I said, I'm not defending dropped the bombs. I believe it was wrong. I was just trying to establish that the Japanse didn't try to surrender beforehand.
Truman notes in his memoirs at least two occasions, weeks apart, where the Japanese tried to surrender: one message came through during the Potsdam Conference and was rejected by Stalin for being "unclear" (likely as unclear as lasting democracy in Poland), and the second was rejected by Truman not long before the bombing because he would not accept the condition guaranteeing the Emperor's life.
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how did this topic even get through? this is really controversial stuff here. my great-grandpa almost died during the war, and my friend's great gramps did.
My great-great-grandfather did, too. Ultimately, this is about history.
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Like I said earlier, Truman mentions it himself. I assure you that as a student who intends to get a Ph. D. in history... they did.
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Assuming he did know that, he still needed a way of telling communism "don't mess with us". Telling them that they had a nuke wouldn't work, but the Japanese saying they did would have been a darn good warning.
I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying why he might have done it.
Actually, I read that after the Bomb exploded at Los Alamos and Truman heard about it, he went and told Stalin. He didn't tell him directly, but made sure Stalin knew what
he meant. Stalin pretended to be unfazed, but was actually disturbed. So, simply telling them may have worked.
Yeah, but Stalin already knew. I've been relistening to an audiobook that talks a lot about the Soviet spys getting information about the bomb.
The Japanese surrender did take place after the bombs were dropped, but this was because the Soviet declaration of war took place between the bombs. The Japanese knew that the United States would at the very least not conquer Japan, where the Soviet Union would have turned Japan into a Soviet territory if the war continued.
Oh, I know. A Soviet Declaration of war, continous conventional bombing, destruction of japanese shipping, and internal unrest could, I think,
quite possibly have made Japan surrender without the bombs.
As I said, I'm not defending dropped the bombs. I believe it was wrong. I was just trying to establish that the Japanse didn't try to surrender beforehand.
how did this topic even get through? this is really controversial stuff here. my great-grandpa almost died during the war, and my friend's great gramps did.
Right now we are a controversial subject but maybe we should move on.
So are you saying if the bomb hadn't been dropped the US would have invaded?
If Japan hadn't surrendered, the US would have invaded, yes. Ergo, because the dropping of the bombs was critical to the Japanese surrender, the atomic bomb being dropped ensured Tuvok's ancestor was not part of the invasion attempt.
So are you saying if the bomb hadn't been dropped the US would have invaded?
If Japan hadn't surrendered, the US would have invaded, yes. Ergo, because the dropping of the bombs was critical to the Japanese surrender, the atomic bomb being dropped ensured Tuvok's ancestor was not part of the invasion attempt.
Yes t was critical for UNCONDITIONAL surrender, not surrender. You can talk about Tuvok's ancestor but what about Keplers?
