Actually, I read that after the Bomb exploded at Los Alamos and Truman heard about it, he went and told Stalin. He didn't tell him directly, but made sure Stalin knew what
he meant. Stalin pretended to be unfazed, but was actually disturbed. So, simply telling them may have worked.
Yeah, but Stalin already knew. I've been relistening to an audiobook that talks a lot about the Soviet spys getting information about the bomb.
Truman didn't know Stalin knew,though. They're spies. They wouldn't let information slip that easily.
If Japan hadn't surrendered, the US would have invaded, yes. Ergo, because the dropping of the bombs was critical to the Japanese surrender, the atomic bomb being dropped ensured Tuvok's ancestor was not part of the invasion attempt.
Yes t was critical for UNCONDITIONAL surrender, not surrender. You can talk about Tuvok's ancestor but what about Keplers?
Let's really not make this personal, please
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"“Even by the twenty-second century, no way had yet been discovered of keeping elderly and conservative scientists from occupying crucial administrative positions. Indeed, it was doubted if the problem ever would be solved.” ^That, on the other hand, is old sci-fi.
Yeah, but Stalin already knew. I've been relistening to an audiobook that talks a lot about the Soviet spys getting information about the bomb.
Truman didn't know Stalin knew,though. They're spies. They wouldn't let information slip that easily.
Karl Fuchs....
Old sci-fi is the best sci-fi! v this is not old sci-fi Maxim 3: An ordnance technician at a dead run outranks everybody. Maxim 24: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a big gun.
"“Even by the twenty-second century, no way had yet been discovered of keeping elderly and conservative scientists from occupying crucial administrative positions. Indeed, it was doubted if the problem ever would be solved.” ^That, on the other hand, is old sci-fi.
Like I said earlier, Truman mentions it himself. I assure you that as a student who intends to get a Ph. D. in history... they did.
My mistake, but, it was not an unconditional surrender, which is the only thing acceptable in the situation.
Not really. The only condition they wanted was that their Emperor's life be spared. Of course, that's not good enough for Truman, so he threatened to destroy Japan with nukes over one small request.
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So are you saying if the bomb hadn't been dropped the US would have invaded?
If Japan hadn't surrendered, the US would have invaded, yes. Ergo, because the dropping of the bombs was critical to the Japanese surrender, the atomic bomb being dropped ensured Tuvok's ancestor was not part of the invasion attempt.
Except that Japan surrendered as a direct result of the Soviet invasion; thus the bombs were not necessary. At the least least, only the first bomb could have been perceived as necessary.
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Yeah, but Stalin already knew. I've been relistening to an audiobook that talks a lot about the Soviet spys getting information about the bomb.
Truman didn't know Stalin knew,though. They're spies. They wouldn't let information slip that easily.
Truman did tell Stalin directly about the bomb during the Potsdam Conference; the Soviets of course already knew many details about the bomb thanks to a disloyal kid who worked for the Manhattan Project, but he did formally learn from the US.
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My mistake, but, it was not an unconditional surrender, which is the only thing acceptable in the situation.
Not really. The only condition they wanted was that their Emperor's life be spared. Of course, that's not good enough for Truman, so he threatened to destroy Japan with nukes over one small request.
Just so we can prove who is right here, what is your source for this information?
Not really. The only condition they wanted was that their Emperor's life be spared. Of course, that's not good enough for Truman, so he threatened to destroy Japan with nukes over one small request.
Just so we can prove who is right here, what is your source for this information?
Truman's diary.
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please, move on from this issue. now i understand the importance of moderaters. mods, helios included, please tell them to switch
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana
Old sci-fi is the best sci-fi! v this is not old sci-fi Maxim 3: An ordnance technician at a dead run outranks everybody. Maxim 24: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a big gun.
"“Even by the twenty-second century, no way had yet been discovered of keeping elderly and conservative scientists from occupying crucial administrative positions. Indeed, it was doubted if the problem ever would be solved.” ^That, on the other hand, is old sci-fi.
I have seen overwhelming evidence that what you are saying is not the case, however I am still not convinced either way.
This sounds kinda dumb, but most of it is due to American postwar propaganda and a refusal to actually study the other side. Like I said, I'm reading his diary.
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I have seen overwhelming evidence that what you are saying is not the case, however I am still not convinced either way.
This sounds kinda dumb, but most of it is due to American postwar propaganda and a refusal to actually study the other side. Like I said, I'm reading his diary.
Well I'll take a look at what I believe to be the least fallible source and get back to you.
