Shamrock , Torahvision , egorsmirnov , thepegleggedninja , and felipedutra: members of the FAC. I was hoping that maybe we could prolong the coming of the fire and ice tribes, at least for a little bit. Everything seems a little bit too rushed. I think we should finish our deal with the Crawlers and then have the Ice hunters come on the scene, instead of having them interrupt major battles, and charge on chima when I haven't had a chance to deal with the Crawlers who want my land. Thare is still so much to be done, and then you've got posts like "A big ice glacierremoves towards the iron mountains." and, "The temperature suddenly drops." It all seems like we could carry the outlands at least till we fully deal with 'em. Mole it over anywho.
I agree fully with you, we had a vote over this, and jgread and his coalition made the date far too close.
As long as you use reasonable numbers and strategy, you can use NPCs to wage wars (still keeping RPC conflict the main focus), build things, and send/deliver messages.
From what I’ve seen, RPC conflict is hardly the main focus here. It’s mostly just been national warfare, throwing numbers at opposing tribes like an RTS game. I hope to help fix that.
Where should i deploy my MCV(Mobile Construction Vehicle)?
Shamrock , Torahvision , egorsmirnov , thepegleggedninja , and felipedutra: members of the FAC. I was hoping that maybe we could prolong the coming of the fire and ice tribes, at least for a little bit. Everything seems a little bit too rushed. I think we should finish our deal with the Crawlers and then have the Ice hunters come on the scene, instead of having them interrupt major battles, and charge on chima when I haven't had a chance to deal with the Crawlers who want my land. Thare is still so much to be done, and then you've got posts like "A big ice glacierremoves towards the iron mountains." and, "The temperature suddenly drops." It all seems like we could carry the outlands at least till we fully deal with 'em. Mole it over anywho.
I agree fully with you, we had a vote over this, and jgread and his coalition made the date far too close.
I think it's ok to hint at it now, like what's happening in the Iron Mountains, but not a full scale war.
I don't mind a couple things but they are planning to have the ice tribes inturrupt the battle at the Raven HQ.
I think that is intentional though, and it seems like it’d be a good introduction imo.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
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I think that is intentional though, and it seems like it’d be a good introduction imo.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
I mean, we had a vote on it and the results have been followed. Trying to set it back more wouldn’t be very fair to everyone else who has been RPing as them so far and building up to their current arrival.
I think that is intentional though, and it seems like it’d be a good introduction imo.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
We'd already been waiting quite a while though. You weren't here for a while, but the Outland-related stuff dragged on for a reaaaallly long time, and almost everyone seemed to be getting tired of it. The war between the inlanders and outlanders lasted almost all of 2017, and well into 2018. We took a vote and decided that the Ice Hunters could come in February. Besides, we already hinted at the fire and Ice tribes and built them up since like, October. The introduction of the Ice Hunters may seem rushed to people who just got here or came back, but for the rest of us, especially those of us who RP as Ice Hunters, it took an excruciatingly long time.
The Vultures and Ice Bears (my two Ice Hunter tribes) are interrupting the final battles on purpose. The Crawlers (or at least my tribe the bats) will be defeated by the Ice Hunters, as was the plan.
I think that is intentional though, and it seems like it’d be a good introduction imo.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
The thing is, things with the Crawlers can't be settled with the Crawlers for at least a few months without the Ice Hunters. The Chima Alliance has a supply of Chi, so they can now effectively fight, which they couldn't before. However, the Crawlers still have an undeniable advantage. As shown in the TV show, when the Wolves steal all the Chi, the Sacred Pool refills very slowly, and all eight Inland Tribes have to get their share every month. Even though the tribes other than the Wolves were getting Chi, it didn't compare with the amount the Wolves had stolen, so they just had to do their best until the wolves burnt through their Chi and the other tribes had built up theirs.
This situation is basically the same - the Inland Tribes are getting Chi, but they have nowhere near enough to defeat the Crawler Empire. If they unite their forces, they can crush smaller Crawler armies, but as soon as reinforcements arrive with a massive amount of Chi, the Inlanders will be crushed. Things will stagnate and become boring if we choose to wait until the Crawlers run out of Chi, as they won't be doing that anytime soon.
The arrival of the Ice Hunters gives a good explanation for the fall of the Crawler Empire. It means that the homes of the Crawlers and everyone there is frozen, and the Ice Hunters get Chi. With their eastern bases frozen, the Crawler Empire is weakened to a force that can actually be fought with a chance of victory by the Chima Alliance.
It's a matter of choosing whether we want to prolong this conflict for months more, or follow through with the result of the community vote we had and introduce the Ice Hunters now. Remember, not all Crawlers will necessarily be frozen, and we've agreed to make the Ice Hunter war last as long as possible, probably until about September, so frozen people will likely be freed and other people frozen over the course of it.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
The thing is, things with the Crawlers can't be settled with the Crawlers for at least a few months without the Ice Hunters. The Chima Alliance has a supply of Chi, so they can now effectively fight, which they couldn't before. However, the Crawlers still have an undeniable advantage. As shown in the TV show, when the Wolves steal all the Chi, the Sacred Pool refills very slowly, and all eight Inland Tribes have to get their share every month. Even though the tribes other than the Wolves were getting Chi, it didn't compare with the amount the Wolves had stolen, so they just had to do their best until the wolves burnt through their Chi and the other tribes had built up theirs.
This situation is basically the same - the Inland Tribes are getting Chi, but they have nowhere near enough to defeat the Crawler Empire. If they unite their forces, they can crush smaller Crawler armies, but as soon as reinforcements arrive with a massive amount of Chi, the Inlanders will be crushed. Things will stagnate and become boring if we choose to wait until the Crawlers run out of Chi, as they won't be doing that anytime soon.
The arrival of the Ice Hunters gives a good explanation for the fall of the Crawler Empire. It means that the homes of the Crawlers and everyone there is frozen, and the Ice Hunters get Chi. With their eastern bases frozen, the Crawler Empire is weakened to a force that can actually be fought with a chance of victory by the Chima Alliance.
It's a matter of choosing whether we want to prolong this conflict for months more, or follow through with the result of the community vote we had and introduce the Ice Hunters now. Remember, not all Crawlers will necessarily be frozen, and we've agreed to make the Ice Hunter war last as long as possible, probably until about September, so frozen people will likely be freed and other people frozen over the course of it.
Ok, my problem with this analogy, the issue in the show was that no one stored chi, it fealt like everyone was Kenseyian, but that's not the point, here tribes stored chi for later use which proved great for fighting the crawlers. So no the situation is not the same.
The Crawler Empire is in perhaps of a worse situation or atleast one that is equally bad compared to the chima alliance, this is shown by how ridiculously compromising they are in every single treaty - say what you will about the fair deal - (Gorillas proposal to peace to the crawlers)- it doesn't punish the crawlers - sure, but it establishes Chima alliance dominance.
Here is a run down of crawler fails/ weakness:
Failure to react to rhino annexation
Failure to react to rhinos not willing to share annexed land
Failure to secure Bear lands after massive spending and 3 or 4 major battles there
Failure to keep there empire from being split in 2 by a gorilla wall
Failure to unite their own people under one cause (Looking at you - scorpions)
Failure to protect any of their leaders
Failure to ensure loyalty of top generals and officials
Failure to make an attack that doesn't cost many lives (Eagle invasion of the gorillas with 51% loss on the eagles side)
Failure to secure there own main HQs (Both Scorpion HQ, taken over by Combine, and Black Fang Mountain sieged)
Failure to attack an HQ with no NAVY - why are the wolves still so safe, they do absolutely nothing to protect themselves!
Failure to establish treaties in which they have a great deal (This excludes Casablanche, that was smart)
Those are some monumental failures, sure they secured key important allies - Eagles and crocs, possibly some of the best allies, however this also can be used as a reason to explain why the Chima Alliance will survive for longer than the crawler empire.
The thing is, things with the Crawlers can't be settled with the Crawlers for at least a few months without the Ice Hunters. The Chima Alliance has a supply of Chi, so they can now effectively fight, which they couldn't before. However, the Crawlers still have an undeniable advantage. As shown in the TV show, when the Wolves steal all the Chi, the Sacred Pool refills very slowly, and all eight Inland Tribes have to get their share every month. Even though the tribes other than the Wolves were getting Chi, it didn't compare with the amount the Wolves had stolen, so they just had to do their best until the wolves burnt through their Chi and the other tribes had built up theirs.
This situation is basically the same - the Inland Tribes are getting Chi, but they have nowhere near enough to defeat the Crawler Empire. If they unite their forces, they can crush smaller Crawler armies, but as soon as reinforcements arrive with a massive amount of Chi, the Inlanders will be crushed. Things will stagnate and become boring if we choose to wait until the Crawlers run out of Chi, as they won't be doing that anytime soon.
The arrival of the Ice Hunters gives a good explanation for the fall of the Crawler Empire. It means that the homes of the Crawlers and everyone there is frozen, and the Ice Hunters get Chi. With their eastern bases frozen, the Crawler Empire is weakened to a force that can actually be fought with a chance of victory by the Chima Alliance.
It's a matter of choosing whether we want to prolong this conflict for months more, or follow through with the result of the community vote we had and introduce the Ice Hunters now. Remember, not all Crawlers will necessarily be frozen, and we've agreed to make the Ice Hunter war last as long as possible, probably until about September, so frozen people will likely be freed and other people frozen over the course of it.
Ok, my problem with this analogy, the issue in the show was that no one stored chi, it fealt like everyone was Kenseyian, but that's not the point, here tribes stored chi for later use which proved great for fighting the crawlers. So no the situation is not the same.
The Crawler Empire is in perhaps of a worse situation or atleast one that is equally bad compared to the chima alliance, this is shown by how ridiculously compromising they are in every single treaty - say what you will about the fair deal - (Gorillas proposal to peace to the crawlers)- it doesn't punish the crawlers - sure, but it establishes Chima alliance dominance.
Here is a run down of crawler fails/ weakness:
Failure to react to rhino annexation
Failure to react to rhinos not willing to share annexed land
Failure to secure Bear lands after massive spending and 3 or 4 major battles there
Failure to keep there empire from being split in 2 by a gorilla wall
Failure to unite their own people under one cause (Looking at you - scorpions)
Failure to protect any of their leaders
Failure to ensure loyalty of top generals and officials
Failure to make an attack that doesn't cost many lives (Eagle invasion of the gorillas with 51% loss on the eagles side)
Failure to secure there own main HQs (Both Scorpion HQ, taken over by Combine, and Black Fang Mountain sieged)
Failure to attack an HQ with no NAVY - why are the wolves still so safe, they do absolutely nothing to protect themselves!
Failure to establish treaties in which they have a great deal (This excludes Casablanche, that was smart)
Those are some monumental failures, sure they secured key important allies - Eagles and crocs, possibly some of the best allies, however this also can be used as a reason to explain why the Chima Alliance will survive for longer than the crawler empire.
That's true to an extent. However, I've done some research and I don't believe that Chi stores from before Cavora was drained will be enough. Look at this: "Chi has many unique qualities and rules that affect the entire Kingdom of Chima. There can never be too much or too little Chi in the Sacred Pool, or Chima will suffer catastrophic natural disasters. The balance of Chi affects the entire natural balance of Chima. Thus, the Sacred Pool can never be drained or allowed to overflow. This means limiting the tribes' use of Chi, but also ensures that the Chi is regularly being used. This is why the Lions always distribute the Chi to the tribes, even when some of these tribes are their enemies. They can’t just dump the Chi to balance the flow. They must ensure that the Chi is used, or else the Kingdom of Chima will fall out of balance and suffer untold calamities."
This suggests that storing Chi for long periods of time (a couple of weeks would probably be OK, but after that, I imagine they'd use that Chi and put fresh into storage) is not a viable option. Also, most Chi stores will have been used keeping tribes operating. Every vehicle that moves, machine that builds, et cetera, uses Chi. Given my first point, it's unlikely the Chima Alliance would have enough Chi saved that they wouldn't have used most of it.
Ok, my problem with this analogy, the issue in the show was that no one stored chi, it fealt like everyone was Kenseyian, but that's not the point, here tribes stored chi for later use which proved great for fighting the crawlers. So no the situation is not the same.
The Crawler Empire is in perhaps of a worse situation or atleast one that is equally bad compared to the chima alliance, this is shown by how ridiculously compromising they are in every single treaty - say what you will about the fair deal - (Gorillas proposal to peace to the crawlers)- it doesn't punish the crawlers - sure, but it establishes Chima alliance dominance.
Here is a run down of crawler fails/ weakness:
Failure to react to rhino annexation
Failure to react to rhinos not willing to share annexed land
Failure to secure Bear lands after massive spending and 3 or 4 major battles there
Failure to keep there empire from being split in 2 by a gorilla wall
Failure to unite their own people under one cause (Looking at you - scorpions)
Failure to protect any of their leaders
Failure to ensure loyalty of top generals and officials
Failure to make an attack that doesn't cost many lives (Eagle invasion of the gorillas with 51% loss on the eagles side)
Failure to secure there own main HQs (Both Scorpion HQ, taken over by Combine, and Black Fang Mountain sieged)
Failure to attack an HQ with no NAVY - why are the wolves still so safe, they do absolutely nothing to protect themselves!
Failure to establish treaties in which they have a great deal (This excludes Casablanche, that was smart)
Those are some monumental failures, sure they secured key important allies - Eagles and crocs, possibly some of the best allies, however this also can be used as a reason to explain why the Chima Alliance will survive for longer than the crawler empire.
That's true to an extent. However, I've done some research and I don't believe that Chi stores from before Cavora was drained will be enough. Look at this: "Chi has many unique qualities and rules that affect the entire Kingdom of Chima. There can never be too much or too little Chi in the Sacred Pool, or Chima will suffer catastrophic natural disasters. The balance of Chi affects the entire natural balance of Chima. Thus, the Sacred Pool can never be drained or allowed to overflow. This means limiting the tribes' use of Chi, but also ensures that the Chi is regularly being used. This is why the Lions always distribute the Chi to the tribes, even when some of these tribes are their enemies. They can’t just dump the Chi to balance the flow. They must ensure that the Chi is used, or else the Kingdom of Chima will fall out of balance and suffer untold calamities."
This suggests that storing Chi for long periods of time (a couple of weeks would probably be OK, but after that, I imagine they'd use that Chi and put fresh into storage) is not a viable option. Also, most Chi stores will have been used keeping tribes operating. Every vehicle that moves, machine that builds, et cetera, uses Chi. Given my first point, it's unlikely the Chima Alliance would have enough Chi saved that they wouldn't have used most of it.
Ok, a few major issues:
1) Gorillas, got chi on regular basis from the crawlers (same amount as crocs and eagles are currently getting) the amount was stated as (enough to cover the cost of running things) i.e. 100% of gorilla chi use covered by the crawlers - and then the gorillas began to remilitarize after such a deal (just like the eagles and crocs did) this allowed them to build up a bulky army to battle the crawlers 2) Everyone has researches not just scorpions - and with a lack of chi, they would be more chi efficient that's basic economics (oil prices are high, more ways of conserving oil, that type of thing) 3) Chi efficiency at the same time - not a crawler priority. The crawlers are in a very hard situation, their military spending is beyond ridicuolous, they have to pay for what is an insanely overblown army, plus a massive wall spanning the entire great desert, and a massive wall around all of the crawler forest, not to mention their settlements, which aside from the massive funds needed to protect them, also probably requires a lot of money in grants for them to you know: move to a war zone 4) Divided chi, so their chi is in many places, is it than a stretch to think that the forgotten have gotten a hand on much of that chi? Or the combine? Or the chi draining giant that is the Black Overwatch / aperture Mesa, they are using chi faster than their chima alliance counterparts largely because they are fighting themselves.
But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
The thing is, things with the Crawlers can't be settled with the Crawlers for at least a few months without the Ice Hunters. The Chima Alliance has a supply of Chi, so they can now effectively fight, which they couldn't before. However, the Crawlers still have an undeniable advantage. As shown in the TV show, when the Wolves steal all the Chi, the Sacred Pool refills very slowly, and all eight Inland Tribes have to get their share every month. Even though the tribes other than the Wolves were getting Chi, it didn't compare with the amount the Wolves had stolen, so they just had to do their best until the wolves burnt through their Chi and the other tribes had built up theirs.
This situation is basically the same - the Inland Tribes are getting Chi, but they have nowhere near enough to defeat the Crawler Empire. If they unite their forces, they can crush smaller Crawler armies, but as soon as reinforcements arrive with a massive amount of Chi, the Inlanders will be crushed. Things will stagnate and become boring if we choose to wait until the Crawlers run out of Chi, as they won't be doing that anytime soon.
The arrival of the Ice Hunters gives a good explanation for the fall of the Crawler Empire. It means that the homes of the Crawlers and everyone there is frozen, and the Ice Hunters get Chi. With their eastern bases frozen, the Crawler Empire is weakened to a force that can actually be fought with a chance of victory by the Chima Alliance.
It's a matter of choosing whether we want to prolong this conflict for months more, or follow through with the result of the community vote we had and introduce the Ice Hunters now. Remember, not all Crawlers will necessarily be frozen, and we've agreed to make the Ice Hunter war last as long as possible, probably until about September, so frozen people will likely be freed and other people frozen over the course of it.
There are still undeniable advantages we have that the Crawlers do not for instance: 1: The fact that the Crawlers are only three tribes and the inlanders are 6, and yes I understand that the eagles and the Crocodiles have joined the Crawlers putting them up to 5 tribes, which I think is odd in the first place, but still. 2: The inlanders have been around more than the Crawlers, the Inlanders know the terrain thry are fighting on and they have more men because they have had time to grow. Inlanders also have better technology from being around so long. And in the end of the Chima episodes, the Crawlers released the ice tribes after they were vanquished by 8 Chimians and their legend beasts, which I think is unfair that you guys haven't even brought the legend beasts into the picture yet. 3: As soon as the icy's enter in, it would be illogical to fight them because not only will the Crawlers be being frozen, so will the Inlanders. So insane peace agreements shall try to be arranged that will be like, "We keep all your land we have conquered and you will not attack us. If you don't accept you will be wiped out." 4: It won't be prolonged for months, the Crawlers have to think about the current civil war that is happening back at their HQ. And the Inlanders are gaining the advantage because the Crawlers have dispersed their forces way too much and have brought in their civilians in an attempt to gain sympathy from the tribes and to have them just go along with everything. It seems like its coming to a close but the Ice hunters will attack and disrupt the disruption. Its not even logical how the ice hunters are breaking free because they broke free in the Outlands in the Crawlers main HQ. I thought we were sticking semi canon, its now evolved to only the themes are being kept. Honestly the only thing that makes us the Chima RP right now is that we cal each other animals and that we say Chima civil wars 1st, Outlands 2nd and Ice hunters after that. That's it! I thought we would at least resemble something of the real thing. Now it's more a Fantasy/Futuristic/Medieval RP. I know I'm probably jealous for not being here but I agree with Smirnov. Crawlers have no experience.
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Ok, my problem with this analogy, the issue in the show was that no one stored chi, it fealt like everyone was Kenseyian, but that's not the point, here tribes stored chi for later use which proved great for fighting the crawlers. So no the situation is not the same.
The Crawler Empire is in perhaps of a worse situation or atleast one that is equally bad compared to the chima alliance, this is shown by how ridiculously compromising they are in every single treaty - say what you will about the fair deal - (Gorillas proposal to peace to the crawlers)- it doesn't punish the crawlers - sure, but it establishes Chima alliance dominance.
Here is a run down of crawler fails/ weakness:
Failure to react to rhino annexation
Failure to react to rhinos not willing to share annexed land
Failure to secure Bear lands after massive spending and 3 or 4 major battles there
Failure to keep there empire from being split in 2 by a gorilla wall
Failure to unite their own people under one cause (Looking at you - scorpions)
Failure to protect any of their leaders
Failure to ensure loyalty of top generals and officials
Failure to make an attack that doesn't cost many lives (Eagle invasion of the gorillas with 51% loss on the eagles side)
Failure to secure there own main HQs (Both Scorpion HQ, taken over by Combine, and Black Fang Mountain sieged)
Failure to attack an HQ with no NAVY - why are the wolves still so safe, they do absolutely nothing to protect themselves!
Failure to establish treaties in which they have a great deal (This excludes Casablanche, that was smart)
Those are some monumental failures, sure they secured key important allies - Eagles and crocs, possibly some of the best allies, however this also can be used as a reason to explain why the Chima Alliance will survive for longer than the crawler empire.
That's true to an extent. However, I've done some research and I don't believe that Chi stores from before Cavora was drained will be enough. Look at this: "Chi has many unique qualities and rules that affect the entire Kingdom of Chima. There can never be too much or too little Chi in the Sacred Pool, or Chima will suffer catastrophic natural disasters. The balance of Chi affects the entire natural balance of Chima. Thus, the Sacred Pool can never be drained or allowed to overflow. This means limiting the tribes' use of Chi, but also ensures that the Chi is regularly being used. This is why the Lions always distribute the Chi to the tribes, even when some of these tribes are their enemies. They can’t just dump the Chi to balance the flow. They must ensure that the Chi is used, or else the Kingdom of Chima will fall out of balance and suffer untold calamities."
This suggests that storing Chi for long periods of time (a couple of weeks would probably be OK, but after that, I imagine they'd use that Chi and put fresh into storage) is not a viable option. Also, most Chi stores will have been used keeping tribes operating. Every vehicle that moves, machine that builds, et cetera, uses Chi. Given my first point, it's unlikely the Chima Alliance would have enough Chi saved that they wouldn't have used most of it.
The Crawlers don't have enough experience to handle war affairs because they haven't been in a war until now, many Crawlers would fall against the battle hardened Veterans the Inlanders have. The tribes would have immediately gone into Chi conservation for only battle purposes.
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But, its still too rushed. I want to settle things with the Crawlers before having my discombobulated attention directed toward the ice tribes. Major battles are taking place or are about to take place. So I would like to ask for this season to be prolonged just until we straighten out things with the Crawlers. The fire and ice stuff could still be held in their own bases and privately for the time.
I mean, we had a vote on it and the results have been followed. Trying to set it back more wouldn’t be very fair to everyone else who has been RPing as them so far and building up to their current arrival.
Just wondering, did you vote in that vote?
Nope, my brother and I were inactive for a while so I probably don't have much say according to most bit its just an appeal to reverse the current ruling. They would keep all their current moves until when they would come back again.
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