I agree. In order, I give my loyalty to God, then my family, then my country.
Isn't I made a Typo, still agree?
That sentence doesn't actually make grammatical sense.
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It's not ridiculous. Christianity is a fulfillment of Judaism, which also has claims to being the oldest religion. By refusing Christianity's original teachings for a teaching that came about 1800 years later, you're missing the point by 1800 years.
I assure you Orthodox Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. We say that probably twenty times during services.
We don't need icons, but we have them to commemorate godly Christians in much the same way you probably have a picture of your grandparents in your house.
We don't need vestments, either. That's just a traditional carryover from days when everyone wore robes and the clergy would wear a specific garment to distinguish themselves.
We definitely don't need huge church buildings. One Orthodox church I attended was literally in a rented-out office floor because they couldn't afford to build a church. Another church was about the size of my house, and the next church was smaller. My current church is larger than all of those, but still much smaller than literally every Protestant church I've visited regardless of denomination. The only "huge church buildings" you'll see are in the Middle East and were build in the 400s-800s when the Orthodox church was at its height prior to the Muslim conquests.
You know what else isn't in the Bible? Substituting wine with grape juice during communion. Having a Christian rock group play gospel rock during services. The concept of "Sunday school." You'll find that many common Christian practices aren't in the Bible. That doesn't necessarily make them evil.
If a church claimed that you required non-Biblical things to be saved (such as paying indulgences in the Catholic church), or if they practiced things clearly against God's word (such as selling animals for sacrifice within the synagogue), I would understand your complaint.
Technically, there were plenty of polytheistic religions before Judaism.
Eh... as far as I can tell, making that claim alone debunks the Abrahamic religions. I'm extending Judaism to "Adam's conversational relationship with God."
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That's not actually the case. To be Protestant in the strictest sense means that you reject the Catholic and the Orthodox views, originally in favor of Martin Luther's but now in favor of two options:
1. One of the thousands of denominations that have been created since that time 2. Your own personal interpretation
The Church of Christ is Protestant, and yes, you do have to adhere to their beliefs or customs, or you get judged heavily for it. I know because I was judged heavily for simply not being Church of Christ. I never even told them what I did believe.
Martin Luther's idea, though, was that the Catholic Church was adding things to the Gospel and we should just accept God's Word as it is written in the Bible.
True. Even if I personally find that ironic since the books of Jude and Revelation were added by Martin Luther to the original Bible.
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We haven't been communist since 1991. The communist Party is... only 2nd largest party 10% behind Putin's party... Yeah ok we still have a bunch of them left...
Russia is officially communist, even though it barely is. In my opinion, communism does not make a country bad. I think that Russia and China are both awesome countries, because even though they are communist, their economy has elements of capitalism.
I don't think Russia is officially communist. I think there are a lot of diehards making it unofficially so.
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I don't know anything about any persecution so I won't comment on that, but as far as voting to join Russia, the vote wasn't even legitimate because it went against the Ukrainian constitution. If it was legitimate, and a political issue, then why would Russia need to send in military forces to Crimea? And yes, there were military forces there. Even without insignia it's easy to tell: Russian-issue rifles? Russian-issue uniforms? Russian-issue camouflage? Masks? Hmmm...
And, if the end of the Soviet Union is Russia's other reason for taking it back, then by your logic that would give it the right to invade:
Estonia (Hacked their government)
Latvia
Lithuania
Kazakhstan (Pro-Russian government)
Kyrgyzstan (Pro-Russian government)
Tajikistan (Pro-Russian government)
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan (started a civil war in the country)
Belarus (Pro-Russian government)
Moldova (Supporting a break away area)
Ukraine (The parts that haven't been invaded yet)
Armenia
Azerbaijan (Supporting a break away area)
Georgia (Supporting a break away area)
They are volunteers also we hold greater claims to that area than lets say... the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Kuwait. Also those () for Ukraine weren't needed because we have done very similar things in all those countries, which is not invading. Also when we took back Chechnya no one cared. Now everyone cares.
We went into those places because they're riddled with terrorists who are attacking our people. We're not conquering those countries.
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Secular, but Why does are money say In GOD we trust, why not Vishnu or Allah? Also Comparing God to any thing of this World isn't even applicable, God is Holy, nothing on this world is, its a fallen world but God is Holy, without Faults or Sin, so, yes, it does add up quite easily.
Basic logic applies to God. He invented it, he uses it.
It doesn't even mean the same thing, we don't everything about God, we can't even comprehend it all.
Actually I say Orthodox left that original faith and are know something much different. I'm not sure, do Orthodox have Mary Worship? the early Church Fathers didn't have special Clothes, Tradition isn't always right, even Demons know that Jesus is the son of God, that won't save you.
I don't believe in Church Building, there nowhere in the Bible, I don't Substitute Grape Juice, that's wrong to. Sunday school is added, but I mean its still teaching about God, Instruments are wrong, so all those i don't Believe. We currently don't have a church, its grieves us but so many are fool with Heresies. I said I was a lot like the Pilgrims, but had disagreements with them, for example Christmas, I don't celebrate it and neither did they but they made it Illegal which is wrong.
The Orthodox church has not changed in the past 2000 years. Research into their mode of worship then and now will prove this. They also did not "leave the original faith" -- while the Roman and Eastern churches split, they both had claims to being more or less the original faith. This changed as the Roman church began adapting their ideals as both an incentive for pagans and as a corruption of ever-powerful Roman hierarchy.
No, we don't "worship Mary." For the record, the Catholic church doesn't, either.
The earliest fathers didn't have special clothes because they were literally bankrupt, door-to-door evangelists. That changed by the year 300.
So you believe that if something is not mentioned in the Bible, it's evil? Very... interesting outlook on life. You must really hate the internet.
Instruments are wrong yet King David was a musician.
You think it's wrong to suppress Christmas even though you disagree with it? Congratulations! You're finally coming around to religious freedom.
Well both Catholic and Orthodox say they kept the original faith. Okay, I meant Theotokis. Yes by 300 bad practices entered the church. I said I was a bible Christian, the Bible and what is says are holy, nothing here is, Tradition doesn't matter,God tells us what we need to worship, so you want to add to the Bible? Christmas isn't in the bible, neither is Easter, both are wrong. King David was in the Old Testamant, things changed since then. Actually I already have, plus Its not are business as Christians to make laws for nations.
I'm afraid most have a big Problem with Baptism, I think Infant Baptism is fine but most don't and some even get baptized multiple times, they only recognize their own Denominations' Baptisms so they virtually decide you aren't and need to get Baptized, on the Other hand they ignore the Lord's Supper.
I never mentioned anything you said here while you 100% ignored my point so this quote chain is over.
I was attacking Protestants, but if I went to a Orthodox Priest and started attacking your system he wouldn't talk to me anymore.
That sentence doesn't actually make grammatical sense.
Hmm, okay, i'll explain, I said I would die for my Family than Country, but that was a Typo, I would never sacrifice myself for and Nation of this world.
Martin Luther's idea, though, was that the Catholic Church was adding things to the Gospel and we should just accept God's Word as it is written in the Bible.
True. Even if I personally find that ironic since the books of Jude and Revelation were added by Martin Luther to the original Bible.
I wonder how he did that, considering that both Revelation and Jude have been held as canonical since the earliest centuries of the church being quoted and held as such by many church fathers, for example being listed as canonical books by Athanasius in 367, and affirmed by councils such as the Synod of Hippo and the Councils of Carthage.
Now, both are part of the Antilegomena, including Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude, and Revelation, that have been disputed or spoken against, over the centuries, however, as noted above, they have historically been accepted as part of the canon of Scripture, merely being sometimes disputed.
As matter of fact, Luther was one of the people who questioned the veracity of Jude, Revelation, and others of the Antilegomena.
Luther's canon did not add anything, but rather he took the deuterocanonical books and placed them outside scripture as apocrypha, and he questioned the antilegomena, going so far as to even perhaps try to remove Hebrews, James, Jude, Revelation them from canon, and he listed them at the end of his canon.
When you say officially... no. Everything isn't owned by the government. We just have large government companies. Many people still wish the ussr didn't fall apart that's definite.
Well, I assume the millions of people who suffered from the USSR, which was arguably the most evil country of all time, are happy it is gone
most evil country? Congratulations to Hitler's Germany, Mao's china, Musolini's Italy, imperial japan, Taliban, isis, North Korea, Khmer rouge you are no longer the most evil countries in the world. The sad thing is... you probably have no idea how people lived in most places in the ussr post the 1930's. You probably also don't know much about the worst leader in Russian history: Boris Yeltsin.
They are volunteers also we hold greater claims to that area than lets say... the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Kuwait. Also those () for Ukraine weren't needed because we have done very similar things in all those countries, which is not invading. Also when we took back Chechnya no one cared. Now everyone cares.
We went into those places because they're riddled with terrorists who are attacking our people. We're not conquering those countries.
Libya? What used to be the most developed country in Africa? Now it is... after the usa's intervention with its big freedom stick. Also we are protecting ethnic minorities in central asia and eastern Europe. Something I am certain is a noteworthy goal.
The Orthodox church has not changed in the past 2000 years. Research into their mode of worship then and now will prove this. They also did not "leave the original faith" -- while the Roman and Eastern churches split, they both had claims to being more or less the original faith. This changed as the Roman church began adapting their ideals as both an incentive for pagans and as a corruption of ever-powerful Roman hierarchy.
No, we don't "worship Mary." For the record, the Catholic church doesn't, either.
The earliest fathers didn't have special clothes because they were literally bankrupt, door-to-door evangelists. That changed by the year 300.
So you believe that if something is not mentioned in the Bible, it's evil? Very... interesting outlook on life. You must really hate the internet.
Instruments are wrong yet King David was a musician.
You think it's wrong to suppress Christmas even though you disagree with it? Congratulations! You're finally coming around to religious freedom.
Well both Catholic and Orthodox say they kept the original faith. Okay, I meant Theotokis. Yes by 300 bad practices entered the church. I said I was a bible Christian, the Bible and what is says are holy, nothing here is, Tradition doesn't matter,God tells us what we need to worship, so you want to add to the Bible? Christmas isn't in the bible, neither is Easter, both are wrong. King David was in the Old Testamant, things changed since then. Actually I already have, plus Its not are business as Christians to make laws for nations.
There may be no evidence for the dates of Christmas and Easter. But should we not celebrate them just because we don't know the exact date? It doesn't really matter when we celebrate them. It might be odd, but it wouldn't be 'wrong' to celebrate Christmas in July. It would probably be inacurate, but it wouldn't matter that much.
If people want to celebrate an important religious occasion, why shouldn't they? One doesn't have to, but it's not wrong.
The Orthodox church has not changed in the past 2000 years. Research into their mode of worship then and now will prove this. They also did not "leave the original faith" -- while the Roman and Eastern churches split, they both had claims to being more or less the original faith. This changed as the Roman church began adapting their ideals as both an incentive for pagans and as a corruption of ever-powerful Roman hierarchy.
No, we don't "worship Mary." For the record, the Catholic church doesn't, either.
The earliest fathers didn't have special clothes because they were literally bankrupt, door-to-door evangelists. That changed by the year 300.
So you believe that if something is not mentioned in the Bible, it's evil? Very... interesting outlook on life. You must really hate the internet.
Instruments are wrong yet King David was a musician.
You think it's wrong to suppress Christmas even though you disagree with it? Congratulations! You're finally coming around to religious freedom.
Well both Catholic and Orthodox say they kept the original faith. Okay, I meant Theotokis. Yes by 300 bad practices entered the church. I said I was a bible Christian, the Bible and what is says are holy, nothing here is, Tradition doesn't matter,God tells us what we need to worship, so you want to add to the Bible? Christmas isn't in the bible, neither is Easter, both are wrong. King David was in the Old Testamant, things changed since then. Actually I already have, plus Its not are business as Christians to make laws for nations.
And in a way they have, although one has changed and the other has not.
The Theotokos is Mary, since it literally means "Mother of God." My statement stands.
By 300 bad practices had entered the church? The Bible you currently read was not compiled by 300. In addition to that, the Bible you read (NKJV) was altered by the King of Scotland/England to change Jacob's name to James, just to satisfy his own vanity.
I agree that what the Bible says is holy, but just because something isn't holy doesn't mean it's evil. I don't even add what we need to worship.. what are you going on about? Christmas/Easter are merely commemorations of Jesus' birth and resurrection. Nobody says that considering these days holy is an integral part of being a Christian.
You'll note that many laws only written in the Old Testament are used by Christians to condemn acts they dislike. If things have changed so dramatically that God somehow now condemns instruments, then maybe he's also changed to not condemn other things?
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