3. "All men are created equal" That is not a mention of God by name, but it is certainly a reference to Him.
Even more so, that particular quote continues..."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
Ah, I knew the word Creator was in there somewhere, thank you.
Crimea is a legal part of Ukraine and belongs to Ukraine, and the same goes for Donbass and whatever other parts of Ukraine that Russia's invaded that I forget. Uniting a certain group of people (In this case the Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine) is exactly the reason Hitler used to invade Austria and Czechoslovakia (In that case the German-speaking minority in those countries).
Am I saying Russia isn't a great country? No. But it needs to learn to respect borders and also respect the fact that ethnic groups almost never stop at border lines. It's just a given, and no amount of invasion or intervention can change that.
Crimea is 75% Russian, the Ukrainean government persecuted the ethnic Russians, its not an invasion, the people voted to join Russia, infact Ukraine took Crimea from Russia in 1991, we just took back our land.
I don't know anything about any persecution so I won't comment on that, but as far as voting to join Russia, the vote wasn't even legitimate because it went against the Ukrainian constitution. If it was legitimate, and a political issue, then why would Russia need to send in military forces to Crimea? And yes, there were military forces there. Even without insignia it's easy to tell: Russian-issue rifles? Russian-issue uniforms? Russian-issue camouflage? Masks? Hmmm...
And, if the end of the Soviet Union is Russia's other reason for taking it back, then by your logic that would give it the right to invade:
I concur. A lot of people hate Russia just because it's communist, even though it's not a bad country.
We haven't been communist since 1991. The communist Party is... only 2nd largest party 10% behind Putin's party... Yeah ok we still have a bunch of them left...
Russia is officially communist, even though it barely is. In my opinion, communism does not make a country bad. I think that Russia and China are both awesome countries, because even though they are communist, their economy has elements of capitalism.
I agree. He did have a good point, but it might have been better to try to keep everyone together. As a Catholic, I can say that modern-day Catholicisim is nothing like the church Luther left. We do have gold ornaments, staine dglass windows and fancy robes for ministers, but it is very different to what it was once like. The Catholic church has fixed itself since it was splintered; if everyone had stayed together, I imagine that would also have happened.
Plenty of Protestant churches have stained glass windows too, I don't think that really matters in any way.
I was under the impression protestants shun decoration in churches.
We haven't been communist since 1991. The communist Party is... only 2nd largest party 10% behind Putin's party... Yeah ok we still have a bunch of them left...
Russia is officially communist, even though it barely is. In my opinion, communism does not make a country bad. I think that Russia and China are both awesome countries, because even though they are communist, their economy has elements of capitalism.
When you say officially... no. Everything isn't owned by the government. We just have large government companies. Many people still wish the ussr didn't fall apart that's definite.
Crimea is 75% Russian, the Ukrainean government persecuted the ethnic Russians, its not an invasion, the people voted to join Russia, infact Ukraine took Crimea from Russia in 1991, we just took back our land.
I don't know anything about any persecution so I won't comment on that, but as far as voting to join Russia, the vote wasn't even legitimate because it went against the Ukrainian constitution. If it was legitimate, and a political issue, then why would Russia need to send in military forces to Crimea? And yes, there were military forces there. Even without insignia it's easy to tell: Russian-issue rifles? Russian-issue uniforms? Russian-issue camouflage? Masks? Hmmm...
And, if the end of the Soviet Union is Russia's other reason for taking it back, then by your logic that would give it the right to invade:
Estonia (Hacked their government)
Latvia
Lithuania
Kazakhstan (Pro-Russian government)
Kyrgyzstan (Pro-Russian government)
Tajikistan (Pro-Russian government)
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan (started a civil war in the country)
Belarus (Pro-Russian government)
Moldova (Supporting a break away area)
Ukraine (The parts that haven't been invaded yet)
Armenia
Azerbaijan (Supporting a break away area)
Georgia (Supporting a break away area)
They are volunteers also we hold greater claims to that area than lets say... the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Kuwait. Also those () for Ukraine weren't needed because we have done very similar things in all those countries, which is not invading. Also when we took back Chechnya no one cared. Now everyone cares.
KJV, NIV, NIRV, NKJV are the most widely used, I believe. But it doesn't really matter as long as they were accurately translated.
There is too much debate over which is best. They're all annoyingly... subtly different. Some of the more recent versions seem to exaggerate parts as an excuse to hate. It's quite sad really. Churches should be inclusive.
Actually I say Orthodox left that original faith and are know something much different. I'm not sure, do Orthodox have Mary Worship? the early Church Fathers didn't have special Clothes, Tradition isn't always right, even Demons know that Jesus is the son of God, that won't save you.
I don't believe in Church Building, there nowhere in the Bible, I don't Substitute Grape Juice, that's wrong to. Sunday school is added, but I mean its still teaching about God, Instruments are wrong, so all those i don't Believe. We currently don't have a church, its grieves us but so many are fool with Heresies. I said I was a lot like the Pilgrims, but had disagreements with them, for example Christmas, I don't celebrate it and neither did they but they made it Illegal which is wrong.
Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
praise him with timbrel and dancing,
praise him with the strings and pipe,
praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals. - Psalm 150: 3-5
Instruments are not wrong.
Also, substituting grape juice for wine is not wrong, either.
Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” - Matthew 26: 27-29
Nowhere does it say what was in the cup. The symbolism works no matter what beverage it is.
That's from the Old Testament, we don't need that in the New Covenant, plus it says Wine, and Jesus drank Wine.
Russia is officially communist, even though it barely is. In my opinion, communism does not make a country bad. I think that Russia and China are both awesome countries, because even though they are communist, their economy has elements of capitalism.
When you say officially... no. Everything isn't owned by the government. We just have large government companies. Many people still wish the ussr didn't fall apart that's definite.
Well, I assume the millions of people who suffered from the USSR, which was arguably the most evil country of all time, are happy it is gone
I don't know anything about any persecution so I won't comment on that, but as far as voting to join Russia, the vote wasn't even legitimate because it went against the Ukrainian constitution. If it was legitimate, and a political issue, then why would Russia need to send in military forces to Crimea? And yes, there were military forces there. Even without insignia it's easy to tell: Russian-issue rifles? Russian-issue uniforms? Russian-issue camouflage? Masks? Hmmm...
And, if the end of the Soviet Union is Russia's other reason for taking it back, then by your logic that would give it the right to invade:
Estonia (Hacked their government)
Latvia
Lithuania
Kazakhstan (Pro-Russian government)
Kyrgyzstan (Pro-Russian government)
Tajikistan (Pro-Russian government)
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan (started a civil war in the country)
Belarus (Pro-Russian government)
Moldova (Supporting a break away area)
Ukraine (The parts that haven't been invaded yet)
Armenia
Azerbaijan (Supporting a break away area)
Georgia (Supporting a break away area)
They are volunteers also we hold greater claims to that area than lets say... the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Kuwait. Also those () for Ukraine weren't needed because we have done very similar things in all those countries, which is not invading. Also when we took back Chechnya no one cared. Now everyone cares.
For the record, I support Russia taking back Chechnya.
Also, supporting breakaway areas and being pro-Russia are no excuses that make it OK to wage a war of aggression on. They're still independent countries, no matter how bad they are.
Nobody claims this nation follows God. We're a secular state and we don't interfere with what people worship. That doesn't mean we don't do good things.
Interesting syllogism:
God is the largest power in the universe. The "largest" in any system is evil. Therefore, God is evil.
See how that... doesn't add up?
Secular, but Why does are money say In GOD we trust, why not Vishnu or Allah? Also Comparing God to any thing of this World isn't even applicable, God is Holy, nothing on this world is, its a fallen world but God is Holy, without Faults or Sin, so, yes, it does add up quite easily.
Basic logic applies to God. He invented it, he uses it.
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It's not ridiculous. Christianity is a fulfillment of Judaism, which also has claims to being the oldest religion. By refusing Christianity's original teachings for a teaching that came about 1800 years later, you're missing the point by 1800 years.
I assure you Orthodox Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. We say that probably twenty times during services.
We don't need icons, but we have them to commemorate godly Christians in much the same way you probably have a picture of your grandparents in your house.
We don't need vestments, either. That's just a traditional carryover from days when everyone wore robes and the clergy would wear a specific garment to distinguish themselves.
We definitely don't need huge church buildings. One Orthodox church I attended was literally in a rented-out office floor because they couldn't afford to build a church. Another church was about the size of my house, and the next church was smaller. My current church is larger than all of those, but still much smaller than literally every Protestant church I've visited regardless of denomination. The only "huge church buildings" you'll see are in the Middle East and were build in the 400s-800s when the Orthodox church was at its height prior to the Muslim conquests.
You know what else isn't in the Bible? Substituting wine with grape juice during communion. Having a Christian rock group play gospel rock during services. The concept of "Sunday school." You'll find that many common Christian practices aren't in the Bible. That doesn't necessarily make them evil.
If a church claimed that you required non-Biblical things to be saved (such as paying indulgences in the Catholic church), or if they practiced things clearly against God's word (such as selling animals for sacrifice within the synagogue), I would understand your complaint.
Actually I say Orthodox left that original faith and are know something much different. I'm not sure, do Orthodox have Mary Worship? the early Church Fathers didn't have special Clothes, Tradition isn't always right, even Demons know that Jesus is the son of God, that won't save you.
I don't believe in Church Building, there nowhere in the Bible, I don't Substitute Grape Juice, that's wrong to. Sunday school is added, but I mean its still teaching about God, Instruments are wrong, so all those i don't Believe. We currently don't have a church, its grieves us but so many are fool with Heresies. I said I was a lot like the Pilgrims, but had disagreements with them, for example Christmas, I don't celebrate it and neither did they but they made it Illegal which is wrong.
The Orthodox church has not changed in the past 2000 years. Research into their mode of worship then and now will prove this. They also did not "leave the original faith" -- while the Roman and Eastern churches split, they both had claims to being more or less the original faith. This changed as the Roman church began adapting their ideals as both an incentive for pagans and as a corruption of ever-powerful Roman hierarchy.
No, we don't "worship Mary." For the record, the Catholic church doesn't, either.
The earliest fathers didn't have special clothes because they were literally bankrupt, door-to-door evangelists. That changed by the year 300.
So you believe that if something is not mentioned in the Bible, it's evil? Very... interesting outlook on life. You must really hate the internet.
Instruments are wrong yet King David was a musician.
You think it's wrong to suppress Christmas even though you disagree with it? Congratulations! You're finally coming around to religious freedom.
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That's not actually the case. To be Protestant in the strictest sense means that you reject the Catholic and the Orthodox views, originally in favor of Martin Luther's but now in favor of two options:
1. One of the thousands of denominations that have been created since that time 2. Your own personal interpretation
The Church of Christ is Protestant, and yes, you do have to adhere to their beliefs or customs, or you get judged heavily for it. I know because I was judged heavily for simply not being Church of Christ. I never even told them what I did believe.
I'm afraid most have a big Problem with Baptism, I think Infant Baptism is fine but most don't and some even get baptized multiple times, they only recognize their own Denominations' Baptisms so they virtually decide you aren't and need to get Baptized, on the Other hand they ignore the Lord's Supper.
I never mentioned anything you said here while you 100% ignored my point so this quote chain is over.
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