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Post by yjflordofbio123 on Apr 5, 2017 23:58:20 GMT
This is an RP, after all. If we can agree on a list of Av-Makuta powers, it might be the right type of fanon to have. A list of Av-Makuta powers and and therefore the ability to create Av-Makuta would make my plan for Landix go a lot smoother It may require some effort, but a lot of good things take effort. Going the easy way isn't always the best way.
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Post by Rocka99 on Apr 6, 2017 1:05:57 GMT
A list of Av-Makuta powers and and therefore the ability to create Av-Makuta would make my plan for Landix go a lot smoother It may require some effort, but a lot of good things take effort. Going the easy way isn't always the best way. From what I gather, the "negative" powers of the Kra-Makuta become opposites, however, the more neutral powers probably stay on the list. I see the following as the negative powers, which we will have to decide on opposites for. The others can probably be kept as is. (Also we can assume that Telekinesis is not the opposite of Darkness, and it merely replaces something else. Light would be the obvious choice to replace Darkness.) - Fear (Already replaced by Courage)
- Disintegration
- Poison
- Fragmentation
- Hunger
- Anger (Already replaced by Peace)
- Heat Vision (?)
- Laser Vision (?)
- Molecular Disruption
- Chain Lightning
- Cyclone (?)
- Power Scream
- Silence
- Slow
- Confusion
- Sleep
This list is just a place to start, of course. I'm not an expert, so if any of you find anything that should or should not be on this list, please discuss it and fix it.
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Post by Emarcee on Apr 6, 2017 1:41:23 GMT
They really are a mess. Even theorizing some of the powers is just a guessing game at that point. Because, seriously, what does telekinesis replace?! ._. This is an RP, after all. If we can agree on a list of Av-Makuta powers, it might be the right type of fanon to have. Alright. I am going to write a long-winded rant We already know 7 Av-Makuta powers. Only three of which are confirmed (those will be colored red.) - Telekinesis- Peace- Courage- Creation - Prosperity - Faith - Purity But the thing is -- there are 35 other powers to consider, and what their opposites are is a subject of intense debate, especially when you consider the following: "Like in the prime universe, he was given a variety of Kraata abilities and Telepathy. As a result of purging himself of shadow, his Kraata powers differ slightly from those of the prime reality. For example, he has access to Telekinesis, and does not have access to powers such as Darkness, Anger, or Fear. In place of the latter two, he controls their counterparts, Courage and Peace." -Biosector. if we are to take that statement literally, not all of the 42 Kraata powers are replaced. But we also have to ask ourselves the question of 'What IS replaced?' I mean, think about it. What would replace weather control, if anything? Elasticity, heat vision, chain lightning, illusion, silence, plantlife control, rahi control, insect control, molecular disruption: the list goes on and on. And, given that telekinesis is one of his abilities, we cannot assume that most of those powers remain the same. Therein lies the problem. There is no way to create a solid, canon list of Av-Makuta powers. Since there is no truly canon way to create a list of kraata powers for Av-Makuta, I cannot allow them. The best I can do is allow people to have regular Makuta with a conscious -- like Krika. Please understand -- I wholeheartedly sympathize with the idea of Av-Makuta. They excite me, they really do. Their existence makes the Makuta species more likeable than they would be otherwise. But because of the fact that their powers cannot be determined, I sadly, cannot allow them. And I hope you can all understand where I'm coming from. It's not a question of the will to allow them -- it's a question of how canonical it would be to do so.
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Post by yjflordofbio123 on Apr 6, 2017 2:25:59 GMT
This is an RP, after all. If we can agree on a list of Av-Makuta powers, it might be the right type of fanon to have. Alright. I am going to write a long-winded rant We already know 7 Av-Makuta powers. Only three of which are confirmed (those will be colored red.) - Telekinesis- Peace- Courage- Creation - Prosperity - Faith - Purity But the thing is -- there are 35 other powers to consider, and what their opposites are is a subject of intense debate, especially when you consider the following: "Like in the prime universe, he was given a variety of Kraata abilities and Telepathy. As a result of purging himself of shadow, his Kraata powers differ slightly from those of the prime reality. For example, he has access to Telekinesis, and does not have access to powers such as Darkness, Anger, or Fear. In place of the latter two, he controls their counterparts, Courage and Peace." -Biosector. if we are to take that statement literally, not all of the 42 Kraata powers are replaced. But we also have to ask ourselves the question of 'What IS replaced?' I mean, think about it. What would replace weather control, if anything? Elasticity, heat vision, chain lightning, illusion, silence, plantlife control, rahi control, insect control, molecular disruption: the list goes on and on. And, given that telekinesis is one of his abilities, we cannot assume that most of those powers remain the same. Therein lies the problem. There is no way to create a solid, canon list of Av-Makuta powers. Since there is no truly canon way to create a list of kraata powers for Av-Makuta, I cannot allow them. The best I can do is allow people to have regular Makuta with a conscious -- like Krika. Please understand -- I wholeheartedly sympathize with the idea of Av-Makuta. They excite me, they really do. Their existence makes the Makuta species more likeable than they would be otherwise. But because of the fact that their powers cannot be determined, I sadly, cannot allow them. And I hope you can all understand where I'm coming from. It's not a question of the will to allow them -- it's a question of how canonical it would be to do so. Yes, you can. You don't need to strictly adhere to canon. When has the Bionicle RP, in any G1 centric variant, ever adhered strictly to canon? We've always diverged, innovated, and evolved and changed. To remain strictly canon is how the RP dies, and withers out, leaving only a few, or even none. Look at the G2 RP, it was so strict that it choked it. Then look at G1, who was booming with activity. Maybe not new people, but most certainly activity, while the G2 one boomed with people, but they never stayed. Fear/Courage Disintegration/Creation Poison/Purity Fragmentation-Shattering/Faith Hunger/Prosperity Anger/Peace Weather Control Elasticity Heat Vision Illusion Teleportation Quick Healing Laser Vision Gravity Electricity Sonics Vacuum Plasma Magnetism Fire Resistance Ice Resistance Mind Reading Shapeshifting Darkness/Light Plant Control Molecular Disruption/IDK/Telekinesis Chain Lightning Cyclone Density Control Chameleon Accuracy Rahi Control Insect Control Stasis Field Limited Invulnerability Power Scream = This isn't inherently immoral, as I can imagine why they'd have it, to deal with certain rahi. Dodge Silence Adaptation Slow Confusion Sleep Any immorals I put a / next to, with a potential supplement, except for MD, which I wouldn't know. We could always supplement it with Telekinesis. This would leave MOST of the powers the same, bar 7. You do not need to adhere strictly to canon, for this is not the canon realm. You argued these same premises for Avtark, or whatever his name was, as well as the Avata. My point is, you need to be willing to bend things or this RP will die out.
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Post by Emarcee on Apr 6, 2017 2:47:38 GMT
Alright. I am going to write a long-winded rant We already know 7 Av-Makuta powers. Only three of which are confirmed (those will be colored red.) - Telekinesis- Peace- Courage- Creation - Prosperity - Faith - Purity But the thing is -- there are 35 other powers to consider, and what their opposites are is a subject of intense debate, especially when you consider the following: "Like in the prime universe, he was given a variety of Kraata abilities and Telepathy. As a result of purging himself of shadow, his Kraata powers differ slightly from those of the prime reality. For example, he has access to Telekinesis, and does not have access to powers such as Darkness, Anger, or Fear. In place of the latter two, he controls their counterparts, Courage and Peace." -Biosector. if we are to take that statement literally, not all of the 42 Kraata powers are replaced. But we also have to ask ourselves the question of 'What IS replaced?' I mean, think about it. What would replace weather control, if anything? Elasticity, heat vision, chain lightning, illusion, silence, plantlife control, rahi control, insect control, molecular disruption: the list goes on and on. And, given that telekinesis is one of his abilities, we cannot assume that most of those powers remain the same. Therein lies the problem. There is no way to create a solid, canon list of Av-Makuta powers. Since there is no truly canon way to create a list of kraata powers for Av-Makuta, I cannot allow them. The best I can do is allow people to have regular Makuta with a conscious -- like Krika. Please understand -- I wholeheartedly sympathize with the idea of Av-Makuta. They excite me, they really do. Their existence makes the Makuta species more likeable than they would be otherwise. But because of the fact that their powers cannot be determined, I sadly, cannot allow them. And I hope you can all understand where I'm coming from. It's not a question of the will to allow them -- it's a question of how canonical it would be to do so. Yes, you can. You don't need to strictly adhere to canon. When has the Bionicle RP, in any G1 centric variant, ever adhered strictly to canon? We've always diverged, innovated, and evolved and changed. To remain strictly canon is how the RP dies, and withers out, leaving only a few, or even none. Look at the G2 RP, it was so strict that it choked it. Then look at G1, who was booming with activity. Maybe not new people, but most certainly activity, while the G2 one boomed with people, but they never stayed. Fear/Courage Disintegration/Creation Poison/Purity Fragmentation-Shattering/Faith Hunger/Prosperity Anger/Peace Weather Control Elasticity Heat Vision Illusion Teleportation Quick Healing Laser Vision Gravity Electricity Sonics Vacuum Plasma Magnetism Fire Resistance Ice Resistance Mind Reading Shapeshifting Darkness/Light Plant Control Molecular Disruption/IDK/Telekinesis Chain Lightning Cyclone Density Control Chameleon Accuracy Rahi Control Insect Control Stasis Field Limited Invulnerability Power Scream = This isn't inherently immoral, as I can imagine why they'd have it, to deal with certain rahi. Dodge Silence Adaptation Slow Confusion Sleep Any immorals I put a / next to, with a potential supplement, except for MD, which I wouldn't know. We could always supplement it with Telekinesis. This would leave MOST of the powers the same, bar 7. You do not need to adhere strictly to canon, for this is not the canon realm. You argued these same premises for Avtark, or whatever his name was, as well as the Avata. My point is, you need to be willing to bend things or this RP will die out. You will notice that I've grown up since the days of Av-Kratark, let alone Blarkrok This RP will not die out, because we will be sticking to what's canon, and what we know for sure is feasible, and what is fair. I mean, if we want to get into specifics, power scream is actually a very questionable power, as it probably has its roots in banshee screams, for example. Confusion would also probably have to be inverted, as it wouldn't be in an av-Makuta's nature to cause confusion and panic. (I mean, it would be very conflicting to have peace and confusion in the same toolset), and come to think of it, peace is already the opposite of confusion. So how can it replace fear at the same time? In short: we simply don't have enough knowledge on this subject. As much as I hate to say this: I cannot allow av-Makuta. And that is final unless Greg Farshtey were to formally compile a complete list of Avata powers. I would also like to point out that I am not opposed to creativity and innovation. I possess a male Vo-Matoran -- breaking Matoran gender rules. I possess a Makuta that was created by a Great Being -- breaking the rule that all Makuta were created by Mata Nui. I am by no means a strict canon follower -- but you will also notice I do not breach the realm of feasibility. In short: I do want people to be fanon -- but as long as it remains within the realm of theoretical possibility. In the case of Av-Makuta however, we don't know enough about them to be able to roleplay them effectively. And that is the ONLY reason I am not allowing it. If it's any consolation -- Toa of light are explicitly allowed, which is something I REALLY hated about the G1 RP
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Post by yjflordofbio123 on Apr 6, 2017 3:06:09 GMT
Yes, you can. You don't need to strictly adhere to canon. When has the Bionicle RP, in any G1 centric variant, ever adhered strictly to canon? We've always diverged, innovated, and evolved and changed. To remain strictly canon is how the RP dies, and withers out, leaving only a few, or even none. Look at the G2 RP, it was so strict that it choked it. Then look at G1, who was booming with activity. Maybe not new people, but most certainly activity, while the G2 one boomed with people, but they never stayed. Fear/Courage Disintegration/Creation Poison/Purity Fragmentation-Shattering/Faith Hunger/Prosperity Anger/Peace Weather Control Elasticity Heat Vision Illusion Teleportation Quick Healing Laser Vision Gravity Electricity Sonics Vacuum Plasma Magnetism Fire Resistance Ice Resistance Mind Reading Shapeshifting Darkness/Light Plant Control Molecular Disruption/IDK/Telekinesis Chain Lightning Cyclone Density Control Chameleon Accuracy Rahi Control Insect Control Stasis Field Limited Invulnerability Power Scream = This isn't inherently immoral, as I can imagine why they'd have it, to deal with certain rahi. Dodge Silence Adaptation Slow Confusion Sleep Any immorals I put a / next to, with a potential supplement, except for MD, which I wouldn't know. We could always supplement it with Telekinesis. This would leave MOST of the powers the same, bar 7. You do not need to adhere strictly to canon, for this is not the canon realm. You argued these same premises for Avtark, or whatever his name was, as well as the Avata. My point is, you need to be willing to bend things or this RP will die out. You will notice that I've grown up since the days of Av-Kratark, let alone Blarkrok This RP will not die out, because we will be sticking to what's canon, and what we know for sure is feasible, and what is fair. I mean, if we want to get into specifics, power scream is actually a very questionable power, as it probably has its roots in banshee screams, for example. Confusion would also probably have to be inverted, as it wouldn't be in an av-Makuta's nature to cause confusion and panic. (I mean, it would be very conflicting to have peace and confusion in the same toolset), and come to think of it, peace is already the opposite of confusion. So how can it replace fear at the same time? In short: we simply don't have enough knowledge on this subject. As much as I hate to say this: I cannot allow av-Makuta. And that is final unless Greg Farshtey were to formally compile a complete list of Avata powers. I would also like to point out that I am not opposed to creativity and innovation. I possess a male Vo-Matoran -- breaking Matoran gender rules. I possess a Makuta that was created by a Great Being -- breaking the rule that all Makuta were created by Mata Nui. I am by no means a strict canon follower -- but you will also notice I do not breach the realm of feasibility. In short: I do want people to be fanon -- but as long as it remains within the realm of theoretical possibility. In the case of Av-Makuta however, we don't know enough about them to be able to roleplay them effectively. And that is the ONLY reason I am not allowing it. If it's any consolation -- Toa of light are explicitly allowed, which is something I REALLY hated about the G1 RP This RP will die out, I promise you that. Confusion's invert would be Truth, not Peace. DUH. Besides, Confusion/Illusion makes sense for a Makuta, to confuse the Rahi or illusion the smarter ones. In short, you don't want them because then Kratark wouldn't be the only "special" Makuta. You won't allow Makuta Special Powers, which is something the RP has _always_ had, yet Kratark has his Death Stare WHICH is basically a special power tier ability. If anyone else had the death stare, you'd throw a fit. Any Makuta could replicate it, as it stands. It's theoretically possible for the community to work together and create a good list, you just don't want to.
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Post by Rocketracer7235 on Apr 6, 2017 3:23:03 GMT
Peace - Anger Courage - Fear Purity - Poison Regeneration - Fragmentation, cus fragmentation isn't an emotion power... Creation - Disintegration Stamina - Hunger Truth - Illusion Telekinesis - ??? Perhaps shadow hand, Avkuta have no light equivalent for that? Or mind reading? Mind reading isnt really evil... Illumination - Darkness Speed - Slow Understanding - Confusion Alertness - Sleep My list of Avkuta power replacements, based on which powers seem likely to be tied with evil akin to the anti-rpinciple set. Also will you two please stop arguing
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Post by Emarcee on Apr 6, 2017 3:32:10 GMT
You will notice that I've grown up since the days of Av-Kratark, let alone Blarkrok This RP will not die out, because we will be sticking to what's canon, and what we know for sure is feasible, and what is fair. I mean, if we want to get into specifics, power scream is actually a very questionable power, as it probably has its roots in banshee screams, for example. Confusion would also probably have to be inverted, as it wouldn't be in an av-Makuta's nature to cause confusion and panic. (I mean, it would be very conflicting to have peace and confusion in the same toolset), and come to think of it, peace is already the opposite of confusion. So how can it replace fear at the same time? In short: we simply don't have enough knowledge on this subject. As much as I hate to say this: I cannot allow av-Makuta. And that is final unless Greg Farshtey were to formally compile a complete list of Avata powers. I would also like to point out that I am not opposed to creativity and innovation. I possess a male Vo-Matoran -- breaking Matoran gender rules. I possess a Makuta that was created by a Great Being -- breaking the rule that all Makuta were created by Mata Nui. I am by no means a strict canon follower -- but you will also notice I do not breach the realm of feasibility. In short: I do want people to be fanon -- but as long as it remains within the realm of theoretical possibility. In the case of Av-Makuta however, we don't know enough about them to be able to roleplay them effectively. And that is the ONLY reason I am not allowing it. If it's any consolation -- Toa of light are explicitly allowed, which is something I REALLY hated about the G1 RP This RP will die out, I promise you that. Confusion's invert would be Truth, not Peace. DUH. Besides, Confusion/Illusion makes sense for a Makuta, to confuse the Rahi or illusion the smarter ones. In short, you don't want them because then Kratark wouldn't be the only "special" Makuta. You won't allow Makuta Special Powers, which is something the RP has _always_ had, yet Kratark has his Death Stare WHICH is basically a special power tier ability. If anyone else had the death stare, you'd throw a fit. Any Makuta could replicate it, as it stands. It's theoretically possible for the community to work together and create a good list, you just don't want to. That's pessimistic. Relax! I'M here There's no proof, though. 1. I'm actually cutting out the bit with Av-Kratark, for your information. 2. His death stare is a combination of Kraata powers, used in a skillful way. Not a special power in of itself. 3. On the same token, what if I were to create a female Makuta that specialized in poison, and claimed it was better than Toxica? I think we all feel equally attached to our characters -- and don't want to see them copied. But I would endeavor to deal with such a situation in a peaceful way -- as rep, nothing less is expected of me. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't bother trying to come up with the list, because there are too many variables to consider, not to mention the psychological and sociological factors that would make the odds of an av-Makuta ever existing slim at best. Please don't argue this point further because I don't like the ban on av-Makuta anymore than you do.
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Post by Rocka99 on Apr 6, 2017 11:20:14 GMT
This RP will die out, I promise you that. Confusion's invert would be Truth, not Peace. DUH. Besides, Confusion/Illusion makes sense for a Makuta, to confuse the Rahi or illusion the smarter ones. In short, you don't want them because then Kratark wouldn't be the only "special" Makuta. You won't allow Makuta Special Powers, which is something the RP has _always_ had, yet Kratark has his Death Stare WHICH is basically a special power tier ability. If anyone else had the death stare, you'd throw a fit. Any Makuta could replicate it, as it stands. It's theoretically possible for the community to work together and create a good list, you just don't want to. That's pessimistic. Relax! I'M here There's no proof, though. 1. I'm actually cutting out the bit with Av-Kratark, for your information. 2. His death stare is a combination of Kraata powers, used in a skillful way. Not a special power in of itself. 3. On the same token, what if I were to create a female Makuta that specialized in poison, and claimed it was better than Toxica? I think we all feel equally attached to our characters -- and don't want to see them copied. But I would endeavor to deal with such a situation in a peaceful way -- as rep, nothing less is expected of me. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't bother trying to come up with the list, because there are too many variables to consider, not to mention the psychological and sociological factors that would make the odds of an av-Makuta ever existing slim at best. Please don't argue this point further because I don't like the ban on av-Makuta anymore than you do. Did no one see my list? I guess I didn't offer opposites like yjf did, but still. Also, I think all of his opposites work, I'm for it. And, basically, If we have a number of Makuta, they could form an interesting alliance with each other once the Makuta rebel. There could even be war between the Light and Shadow Makuta.
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Post by Emarcee on Apr 6, 2017 17:30:39 GMT
That's pessimistic. Relax! I'M here There's no proof, though. 1. I'm actually cutting out the bit with Av-Kratark, for your information. 2. His death stare is a combination of Kraata powers, used in a skillful way. Not a special power in of itself. 3. On the same token, what if I were to create a female Makuta that specialized in poison, and claimed it was better than Toxica? I think we all feel equally attached to our characters -- and don't want to see them copied. But I would endeavor to deal with such a situation in a peaceful way -- as rep, nothing less is expected of me. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't bother trying to come up with the list, because there are too many variables to consider, not to mention the psychological and sociological factors that would make the odds of an av-Makuta ever existing slim at best. Please don't argue this point further because I don't like the ban on av-Makuta anymore than you do. Did no one see my list? I guess I didn't offer opposites like yjf did, but still. Also, I think all of his opposites work, I'm for it. And, basically, If we have a number of Makuta, they could form an interesting alliance with each other once the Makuta rebel. There could even be war between the Light and Shadow Makuta. The most I'm willing to allow are morally grey Makuta who have access to some av-Makuta powers but have not committed themselves to the light. But even THAT is a stretch. In fact, the only reason I'm saying this is because that is my ultimate goal for Kratark.
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Post by KllyTheAnn on Apr 6, 2017 17:54:45 GMT
You will notice that I've grown up since the days of Av-Kratark, let alone Blarkrok This RP will not die out, because we will be sticking to what's canon, and what we know for sure is feasible, and what is fair. I mean, if we want to get into specifics, power scream is actually a very questionable power, as it probably has its roots in banshee screams, for example. Confusion would also probably have to be inverted, as it wouldn't be in an av-Makuta's nature to cause confusion and panic. (I mean, it would be very conflicting to have peace and confusion in the same toolset), and come to think of it, peace is already the opposite of confusion. So how can it replace fear at the same time? In short: we simply don't have enough knowledge on this subject. As much as I hate to say this: I cannot allow av-Makuta. And that is final unless Greg Farshtey were to formally compile a complete list of Avata powers. I would also like to point out that I am not opposed to creativity and innovation. I possess a male Vo-Matoran -- breaking Matoran gender rules. I possess a Makuta that was created by a Great Being -- breaking the rule that all Makuta were created by Mata Nui. I am by no means a strict canon follower -- but you will also notice I do not breach the realm of feasibility. In short: I do want people to be fanon -- but as long as it remains within the realm of theoretical possibility. In the case of Av-Makuta however, we don't know enough about them to be able to roleplay them effectively. And that is the ONLY reason I am not allowing it. If it's any consolation -- Toa of light are explicitly allowed, which is something I REALLY hated about the G1 RP This RP will die out, I promise you that. Confusion's invert would be Truth, not Peace. DUH. Besides, Confusion/Illusion makes sense for a Makuta, to confuse the Rahi or illusion the smarter ones. In short, you don't want them because then Kratark wouldn't be the only "special" Makuta. You won't allow Makuta Special Powers, which is something the RP has _always_ had, yet Kratark has his Death Stare WHICH is basically a special power tier ability. If anyone else had the death stare, you'd throw a fit. Any Makuta could replicate it, as it stands. It's theoretically possible for the community to work together and create a good list, you just don't want to. I'm gonna side with you on this one.
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Post by KllyTheAnn on Apr 6, 2017 17:56:36 GMT
That's pessimistic. Relax! I'M here There's no proof, though. 1. I'm actually cutting out the bit with Av-Kratark, for your information. 2. His death stare is a combination of Kraata powers, used in a skillful way. Not a special power in of itself. 3. On the same token, what if I were to create a female Makuta that specialized in poison, and claimed it was better than Toxica? I think we all feel equally attached to our characters -- and don't want to see them copied. But I would endeavor to deal with such a situation in a peaceful way -- as rep, nothing less is expected of me. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't bother trying to come up with the list, because there are too many variables to consider, not to mention the psychological and sociological factors that would make the odds of an av-Makuta ever existing slim at best. Please don't argue this point further because I don't like the ban on av-Makuta anymore than you do. Did no one see my list? I guess I didn't offer opposites like yjf did, but still. Also, I think all of his opposites work, I'm for it. And, basically, If we have a number of Makuta, they could form an interesting alliance with each other once the Makuta rebel. There could even be war between the Light and Shadow Makuta. I'm down for a Makuta Civil War as it would make things very interesting.
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Post by Rocka99 on Apr 6, 2017 19:36:15 GMT
Did no one see my list? I guess I didn't offer opposites like yjf did, but still. Also, I think all of his opposites work, I'm for it. And, basically, If we have a number of Makuta, they could form an interesting alliance with each other once the Makuta rebel. There could even be war between the Light and Shadow Makuta. I'm down for a Makuta Civil War as it would make things very interesting. Thank you, someone understands.
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Post by Rocka99 on Apr 6, 2017 19:38:58 GMT
Did no one see my list? I guess I didn't offer opposites like yjf did, but still. Also, I think all of his opposites work, I'm for it. And, basically, If we have a number of Makuta, they could form an interesting alliance with each other once the Makuta rebel. There could even be war between the Light and Shadow Makuta. The most I'm willing to allow are morally grey Makuta who have access to some av-Makuta powers but have not committed themselves to the light. But even THAT is a stretch. In fact, the only reason I'm saying this is because that is my ultimate goal for Kratark. As we know, a Makuta must purge their flaws to become light, so as I understand it, you can't be both light and dark. Also, giving other people access to light Makuta is the better thing to do. Plus, a Makuta Civil War would make a great story arc.
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Post by Emarcee on Apr 6, 2017 20:00:16 GMT
The most I'm willing to allow are morally grey Makuta who have access to some av-Makuta powers but have not committed themselves to the light. But even THAT is a stretch. In fact, the only reason I'm saying this is because that is my ultimate goal for Kratark. As we know, a Makuta must purge their flaws to become light, so as I understand it, you can't be both light and dark. Also, giving other people access to light Makuta is the better thing to do. Plus, a Makuta Civil War would make a great story arc. That's a very black-and-white view of the world. I always viewed moral light and moral shadow as being more of a spectrum. With Takanuva being on the far left, and Teridax being on the extreme right. There is a middle region with some of the traits of both worlds, however. It's theoretically possible for a Makuta, any Makuta, to fall anywhere on that spectrum. Krika, for example, wasn't an av-Makuta, but managed to (attempt) good deeds. Miserix, on the same token, wasn't an av-Makuta (and in fact refused the opportunity to become one, claiming light to be a weaker element) but was always on the side of good, and was the first to reject Teridax's plan. In fact, there are several other unnamed Makuta who weren't av-Makuta, but opposed Teridax's madness nonetheless. it all depends on the Makuta's motivations, and what its goals are at any given time. You don't have to be an Av-Makuta to be a good Makuta, it's a matter of how you choose to handle your character.
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