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Post by Shamrock on Apr 30, 2017 13:20:31 GMT
*5, 000 500 Moria troops enter, with 300 SWE, and claim the region for Moria.* Generation: 25% Walls before the East Gate: 10% 20% 30% The infantry remain working on the forifications, while all archers and siege engines advance to delay the elves and keep them far enough from the gate that work can continue. The Climbers head to the Redhorn Pass.
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Post by Shamrock on Apr 30, 2017 13:26:00 GMT
It's quite a large region, actually. The dale itself is small, but as this region borders Lorien, it includes almost as much land as the Golden Wood (half the length of the Silverlode). Ok in that case IC:*The elves advance on the orcs*
OOC: Let me go figure out my troops.IC: *1, 325 arrows, 13 massive slabs of stone, and 14 flaming ballista bolts strike them at the entrance of the dale. The orc archers are taking up positions against the mountain walls near the entrance, giving them more height while still being far from the gate.*
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Post by Shamrock on Apr 30, 2017 13:27:07 GMT
Units: I kindly converted them into MWE for you.
1000 Guild Senturys. Worth 1.3 Total 1300 MWE 1000 Guild Warriors. Worth 1.3 Total 1300 MWE 2000 Guild archers. Worth 1.3 Total 1300 MWE 250 Gurveleg. Worth 2.6 Total 650 MWE 225 Gurdhinen. Worth 2 Total 450 MWE 192 Dolen-Nir Worth 5.2 Total 1000 MWE 25 House of the Heavenly Arch. Worth 7.8 Total 200 MWE 31 Noldar Brightswords Worth 6.5 Total 200 MWE 19 Smiths of Gondolin Worth 10.4 Total 200 MWE 25 Galadhrim Gwaedhon Worth 7.8 Total 200 MWE 15 Kings Shadows. Worth 13 Total 200 MWE 84 Galadrim Guardians (arrchers) Worth 4 Total 333 MWE 84 Galadrim Sentians (Infintry) Worth 4 Total 333 MWE 104 Nórëtirno companions. Worth 3.2 Total 333 MWE 25 Tulkes faithful Worth 4 Total 100 MWE
Gosh I hate elven numbers.
Thank you. Orcs numbers are easy, why don't you join me?
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Post by 8legos on Apr 30, 2017 16:05:39 GMT
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Post by 8legos on Apr 30, 2017 19:11:36 GMT
Ok in that case IC:*The elves advance on the orcs*
OOC: Let me go figure out my troops. IC: *1, 325 arrows, 13 massive slabs of stone, and 14 flaming ballista bolts strike them at the entrance of the dale. The orc archers are taking up positions against the mountain walls near the entrance, giving them more height while still being far from the gate.* OOC: I also have 500 SWE with me. IC: *The infintry advance in a Tortus formation* *Elven arrchers advance in a loose formation and fire a volley at the orcs smashing some of their front line* *Elven siege weapons fire smashing orcs*
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Post by Shamrock on May 1, 2017 10:02:18 GMT
IC: *1, 325 arrows, 13 massive slabs of stone, and 14 flaming ballista bolts strike them at the entrance of the dale. The orc archers are taking up positions against the mountain walls near the entrance, giving them more height while still being far from the gate.* OOC: I also have 500 SWE with me. IC: *The infintry advance in a Tortus formation* *Elven arrchers advance in a loose formation and fire a volley at the orcs smashing some of their front line* *Elven siege weapons fire smashing orcs*OOC: Since when did elves use Tortoise formations? They were never ones for crouching behind shields. IC: *The elven formation is smashed apart by the trebuchet.* *Archers continue to fire, smashing many elves.*
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Post by 8legos on May 1, 2017 16:04:10 GMT
OOC: I also have 500 SWE with me. IC: *The infintry advance in a Tortus formation* *Elven arrchers advance in a loose formation and fire a volley at the orcs smashing some of their front line* *Elven siege weapons fire smashing orcs* OOC: Since when did elves use Tortoise formations? They were never ones for crouching behind shields. IC: *The elven formation is smashed apart by the trebuchet.* *Archers continue to fire, smashing many elves.* OOC: Since I tought the elves stragity. IC: *The elven infintry line up.* *The elven archers fire dealing devastating damage to the orcs.* *Several basliltia fire at the trebuchets destroying them*
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Post by Shamrock on May 2, 2017 8:48:18 GMT
OOC: Since when did elves use Tortoise formations? They were never ones for crouching behind shields. IC: *The elven formation is smashed apart by the trebuchet.* *Archers continue to fire, smashing many elves.* OOC: Since I tought the elves stragity. IC: *The elven infintry line up.* *The elven archers fire dealing devastating damage to the orcs.* *Several basliltia fire at the trebuchets destroying them* OOC: Then how come they are going in a formation that lowers their combat capabilities by at least 17%? IC: *The remaining trebuchet keep firing, this time at the ballistae. The area around their position is rent apart. Orc Archers fire again at the elves, smashing several hundred.
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Post by 8legos on May 2, 2017 13:16:16 GMT
OOC: Since I tought the elves stragity. IC: *The elven infintry line up.* *The elven archers fire dealing devastating damage to the orcs.* *Several basliltia fire at the trebuchets destroying them* OOC: Then how come they are going in a formation that lowers their combat capabilities by at least 17%? IC: *The remaining trebuchet keep firing, this time at the ballistae. The area around their position is rent apart. Orc Archers fire again at the elves, smashing several hundred. OOC: Because it prevents them from being smashed. OOC2: Wouldn't the elves have the longer range? IC: *The ballistae fire at the trebuchets destroying most, (if the area around them is rent apart, then they should be too.) * *The elven infintry fall back out of range, and the arrchers fire again smashing hundrad of orcs.*
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Post by mythmaster1 on May 2, 2017 13:47:51 GMT
OOC: Then how come they are going in a formation that lowers their combat capabilities by at least 17%? IC: *The remaining trebuchet keep firing, this time at the ballistae. The area around their position is rent apart. Orc Archers fire again at the elves, smashing several hundred. OOC: Because it prevents them from being smashed. OOC2: Wouldn't the elves have the longer range? IC: *The ballistae fire at the trebuchets destroying most, (if the area around them is rent apart, then they should be too.) * *The elven infintry fall back out of range, and the arrchers fire again smashing hundrad of orcs.* OOC: I would like to explain several things about range in the Dimrill Dale. I did something that (I believe) is similar to what Shamrock is doing, where I scaled the cliff using climbing goblins and orcs, and then used the range to decimate enemies from a fairly safe position. In addition, Range is decided on the type of bow, not the user. Heavy Archers and Grey Archers use similar bows to the Elves, merely made by Orcs, rather than Elves. This means their range is on par with the elves in range.
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Post by Shamrock on May 2, 2017 17:54:55 GMT
OOC: Then how come they are going in a formation that lowers their combat capabilities by at least 17%? IC: *The remaining trebuchet keep firing, this time at the ballistae. The area around their position is rent apart. Orc Archers fire again at the elves, smashing several hundred. OOC: Because it prevents them from being smashed. OOC2: Wouldn't the elves have the longer range? IC: *The ballistae fire at the trebuchets destroying most, (if the area around them is rent apart, then they should be too.) * *The elven infintry fall back out of range, and the arrchers fire again smashing hundrad of orcs.* OOC: Really? OOC2: Range is decided by the bow, not the archer. If they had a better bow, even a dwarf could outrange an elf. IC: *Trebuchet keep firing* (It's the area around the ballistae getting rent apart. Also, how many do you have?
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Post by 8legos on May 2, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
OOC: Because it prevents them from being smashed. OOC2: Wouldn't the elves have the longer range? IC: *The ballistae fire at the trebuchets destroying most, (if the area around them is rent apart, then they should be too.) * *The elven infintry fall back out of range, and the arrchers fire again smashing hundrad of orcs.* OOC: Really? OOC2: Range is decided by the bow, not the archer. If they had a better bow, even a dwarf could outrange an elf. IC: *Trebuchet keep firing* (It's the area around the ballistae getting rent apart. Also, how many do you have? OOC: yes. OOC2: And the Galadhrim elves have the best bows in middle earth.
IC: *Ballistae fire again smashing apart many of the Trebuchets left (71)*
*Arrchers fire again smashing tons of orcs*
OOC3: I feel like we are just doing Napoleonic stile warfare, we just line up and shoot and smash hundreds of each others troops.
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Post by mythmaster1 on May 2, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
OOC: Really? OOC2: Range is decided by the bow, not the archer. If they had a better bow, even a dwarf could outrange an elf. IC: *Trebuchet keep firing* (It's the area around the ballistae getting rent apart. Also, how many do you have? OOC: yes. OOC2: And the Galadhrim elves have the best bows in middle earth.
IC: *Ballistae fire again smashing apart many of the Trebuchets left (71)*
*Arrchers fire again smashing tons of orcs*
OOC3: I feel like we are just doing Napoleonic stile warfare, we just line up and shoot and smash hundreds of each others troops. OOC: The best crafted, the most powerful, but not necessarily the farthest shooting. In addition, the orcs have a height advantage.
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Post by Shamrock on May 3, 2017 14:10:32 GMT
OOC: Really? OOC2: Range is decided by the bow, not the archer. If they had a better bow, even a dwarf could outrange an elf. IC: *Trebuchet keep firing* (It's the area around the ballistae getting rent apart. Also, how many do you have? OOC: yes. OOC2: And the Galadhrim elves have the best bows in middle earth.
IC: *Ballistae fire again smashing apart many of the Trebuchets left (71)*
*Arrchers fire again smashing tons of orcs*
OOC3: I feel like we are just doing Napoleonic stile warfare, we just line up and shoot and smash hundreds of each others troops. OOC2: As MM said, best quality doesn't mean best range. And the orcs are shooting from above. IC: *Most Siege engines are now destroyed.* *The Orcs rain down many more arrows.* OOC3: Maybe, but I have time for this. Good does not.
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Post by 8legos on May 3, 2017 18:49:52 GMT
OOC: yes. OOC2: And the Galadhrim elves have the best bows in middle earth.
IC: *Ballistae fire again smashing apart many of the Trebuchets left (71)*
*Arrchers fire again smashing tons of orcs*
OOC3: I feel like we are just doing Napoleonic stile warfare, we just line up and shoot and smash hundreds of each others troops. OOC: The best crafted, the most powerful, but not necessarily the farthest shooting. In addition, the orcs have a height advantage. In many ways power and range are the same thing. You have to remember that elven bows would have the stronger draw weight and therefor be more powerful and longer ranged, and they would be much bigger which allows them to shoot farther.
I don't think a orcish bow would have much more than a 60 pound draw weight. And as it is that could shoot maybe 100 meters. But an elven bow could have a draw weight of maybe 120+ pounds twice as powerful as an orcish bow. Now granted it doesn't all transfer into range, but an elven bow should have an range of 150-175 meters or about 500 feet. And before you say that the elves couldn't be accurate at that range listen to this. Elves where known to have exceptional eyesight and Legolas (in the books) could pick out about how many rohirrim there was from 10 miles away. So an elf could easily see a orc at 1/100th of that. They have also had years to practice archery and would vary skilled marksmen. Remember you are trying to say that the orcs are better than elven archers. Who are well knowen as the best archers in Middle Earth. Um no. If KitKat could varifary my points that would be great.
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