Yes....a lot of people get mad if you call Kylo and Snoke Sith...but they seem to be the same thing. I think, as you do, the Old Jedi are going to be gone, and we will have new, different Jedi. With different rules, beliefs, and powers, but still the same principles.
Yeah, that's the problem. The director doesn't exactly agree with the official canon. The Last Jedi refers to something more than our last group of Jedi we will see in TLJ, it refers to the end of an era, a change of the Jedi. Star Wars movie names always have multiple meanings.
What do you think Snoke and Kylo are called? Just Dark Side users, or is there a different name? I also think, in a way, the old Jedi will return, as it looks like they'll be returning to the beliefs of the earliest Jedi, rather than what it became by the time of the Clone Wars.
Thats not official canon. The director WROTE the title. He came up with it. If anyone decides, he does. The translation which made people think it's plural got it wrong, not the other way around. That's possible. I think it refers to Luke, and that he's the last Jedi in multiple senses. He's the last one left alive at the time of the movie, and he's also the last one which will ever exist, because he trains Rey to be something a bit different. Which would make her the first _______ <--- insert name of order here. That'd also be kinda a cool title for IX, if they wanted to go for it.
What should the order be called? I'm partial to 'Bendu', because in the original draft of the first film, the Jedi were called the Jedi-Bendu.
I think this new trilogy is going back to things old (e.g. the old Jedi Temple). So Kylo and Snoke might be some old force users. Or everybody could be grey Jedi. Kylo seems torn about it all, I wonder if he's a "grey sith." Okay....but I thought it was canon that it was plural.
Yeah. There might be more Jedi, though. And The Last Jedi or more symbolism, I think. Not necessarily referring to certain people, just the end of the Jedi Order as we know it. This new generation, they are extremely powerful, and they use balance. Kylo too.
Bendo.....hm.....sounds like Japanese Bento boxes. Grey Jedi, Jeth, something like that, perhaps.
Rey is a different sort of Jedi. She operates a little differently, but she still has that Skywalker thing about her. I dunno, it's not explainable. Anakin, Luke, Leia......they all have the Skywalker look. And I'm not talking about hair and eyes and stuff, their attitude, their thoughts, their stories, their ideas.......they are Skywalkers in their wishes and stories.
That sounds pretty correct to me. Smart analysis. Though her attitude isn't quite the same as Anakin's... She doesn't complain enough.
Also, I'm I the only one who finds it slightly odd for some reason that she'd be a Skywalker with a British accent? I mean, it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just kinda a weird idea to me.
lol Well, that's because Anakin turned Sith. Welp, the actor is British. I watched a video about how they were casting Rey, and JJ talks about how perfect Daisy Ridley was for it. I think the accent was some extra thing they just had to ignore. John Boyega has a thick British accent, somehow he got rid of it. Anyway, Unkar Plutt has a bit of an accent. I wonder if it's a Jakku accent.
EXACTLY! Except I think Han was more of the old Ben...don't read me wrong. Think about it. Guys meets some kid in the desert (ignore Finn ) with a valuable droid. Takes them to Cantina place, etc. etc. etc. Rey is definitely the daughter of somebody...that's all that almost everybody agrees on.
Yeah. Clone Wars is pretty cool. Ashoka was awesome! Well, I think Kylo has done more than we suspect. He killed all the new padawans in the New Jedi Order....and there may have been somebody else, important, another padawan. A padawan who is in the family. Han and Leia treat Kylo's doings as so tragic. Yes, it is tragic for him to kill all the padawans and go to the darkside, but doesn't it look a little deeper than that? Also, why did The Force Awaken? I mean...it's pretty odd that Rey, a 19 year old girl who has been on the planet of Jakku since she was like 5, should all of the sudden discover the Force. These things with Kylo and Snoke have been going on for years, why does Rey suddenly discover the Force on one random day several years after the First Order was founded? Somebody is out there....doing something. Somebody is still alive, unknown to others. Get anything I'm saying here?
Well, they could do a sort of Rogue One thingy. End the movie with the ending of Rogue One, so she could be 17 or 18. Everybody liked Padme in The Phantom Menace, didn't they? Natalie Portman was only 17 when that movie was made. It is possible to do it, I think.
Yup. Although Brian was telling me about some of it. I don't remember. It was some complicated story.
Famous actors never stay around long in Star Wars, they don't seem to like it. A New Hope- Alec Guiness did not like Star Wars, but he knew it would be huge. He was a famous actor, I've seen some of his other roles. He died in the very movie he showed up in. Peter Cushing was another famous actor before Star Wars. He died in the movie he showed up in. The Phantom Menace- Liam Neeson or however his name is spelled, famous actor, dies in the move he shows up in for the first time. Attack of the Clones- Christopher Lee was also a VERY famous actor. He showed up in Attack of the Clones, and dies in the very beginning of Revenge of the Sith. Rogue One- Felicity Jones and some of the other actors were famous. Need I say more? Welp, famous actors die in Star Wars. They just don't seem to like doing the movies or something. Harrison Ford took his turn. But.....I am betting he'll come back!
Yah, I can agree on that. Han starts Rey on her path, and Luke takes the Yoda role, and does her actual training. Though, at the same time, his character is very different from that of Yoda. Well, the film kept harping on her parentage, so that's probably why.
So I've heard plus she gets cool white sabers in Rebels. Well, who says Rey is the one which made the Force awaken? Maybe the Force awakened because now there are active users of the Light and Dark side of the Force, rather than just one side... Though, FTR, Rey used the Dark Side to defeat Kylo, not the light. Or maybe it awakened when Kylo killed Han, fully accepting the dark? It's implied it's Rey, but we don't know. I don't think there's anyone alive that we don't know about, though. Anakin's Force Ghost could still be active, but I don't think there's some surprise character. Could be wrong though.
Kinda? I got a basic idea.
Well, actually, I really dislike Padme because I'm not a Natalie Portman fan. She acts pretty similar in every role, and I'm not a huge fan of her... schtick? Routine? I don't know what to call it. She kinda ruined the character for me, though. BUT you're missing my point, anyway. Carrie was 18 when they made ANH, so they couldn't really cast someone who could realistically turn into Carrie Fisher by the time of ANH, because there's not enough time in between the Leia film and ANH. Han would have about 10 years in between his solo film and ANH, for Alden's version to turn into Harrison's. Leia, on the other hand, if they wanted to give her ten years to turn I nto her ANH version, would be 8 in her solo film.
ah. Well, let me know if you do.
Well, it's not neccesarily that they don't seem to like it... I mean, Guiness hated it, but Peter Cushing, who was very famous, had a lot of fun and wished his character had survived so that he could be in a sequel. Lee had to be gotten rid of quickly, because they needed to make way for the coming of Vader... Lee even returned for a cartoon movie of the Clone Wars which was released, I think, in 2008. Felicity Jones honestly isn't that famous, and the majority of her fame CAME from R1. Donnie Yen is rather famous, though... But this is another case like Lee's. It's not that they don't like sticking around, it's that the story calls for their characters' end.
Maybe in a video game or cartoon or something. I would be surprised if it was VIII or IX.
Yoda sometimes annoys me. I know every Star Wars fan would scream to hear that, but he can bug me. People say Rey's identity was made to be discussed. But the only way to make it clearer would be to say, "Don't you know who your parents are, Rey?"
Really.....interesting. I think there are other things going on. Things to be revealed in Episode 8. Everyone seems to be surrounded in darkness, the past is directly hinted at. Something bad happened. (But, I could be wrong )
I liked Padme a lot. The actor was pretty good, except in The Phantom Menace. A lot of the time I don't care for the actors, it's the character. That's true. I dunno. I don't like CGI, so they would have to do a lot of make-up.
I can dig it up.
True. Maybe they just don't like famous actors in Star Wars. But Felicity Jones has other movies, I saw one, and I know of others. I dunno, I've always found it weird that famous actors don't stick around long.
No, no, no. Everybody watches the films, he's gotta return in those.
Ah. I think I get where you're coming from. I'm hoping to see it this weekend sometime, so we can discuss it in more detail if I do. All in all, are you looking forward to Vol. 3?
Oooooh. Nice. I'm going to be looking forward to it.
Oh, so you haven't seen it yet, eh? Of course I'm looking forward to Vol. 3! That's gonna be the end of the GOTG we know apparently. It'll probably be the last MCU film I'll see in theaters. After that, I'm done with the MCU (sorry guys, you may now kill me).
Glad to hear that! If you really want to enjoy it, I suggest keeping your expectations low. A lot of people who have already seen it were apparently disappointed. I thought it was better than the first. Maybe that's just because I had low expectations (because it is a sequel and I know what happened to MCU sequels except for The Winter Soldier and Civil War).
What?! Why would you ever stop watching the MCU? It's probably the second greatest film franchise of all time, second only to SW. What else have you to watch?
I'll try! My expectations are sorta in-between right now. I'm not expecting a masterpiece, but still something quite good.
What do you think Snoke and Kylo are called? Just Dark Side users, or is there a different name? I also think, in a way, the old Jedi will return, as it looks like they'll be returning to the beliefs of the earliest Jedi, rather than what it became by the time of the Clone Wars.
Thats not official canon. The director WROTE the title. He came up with it. If anyone decides, he does. The translation which made people think it's plural got it wrong, not the other way around. That's possible. I think it refers to Luke, and that he's the last Jedi in multiple senses. He's the last one left alive at the time of the movie, and he's also the last one which will ever exist, because he trains Rey to be something a bit different. Which would make her the first _______ <--- insert name of order here. That'd also be kinda a cool title for IX, if they wanted to go for it.
What should the order be called? I'm partial to 'Bendu', because in the original draft of the first film, the Jedi were called the Jedi-Bendu.
I think this new trilogy is going back to things old (e.g. the old Jedi Temple). So Kylo and Snoke might be some old force users. Or everybody could be grey Jedi. Kylo seems torn about it all, I wonder if he's a "grey sith." Okay....but I thought it was canon that it was plural.
Yeah. There might be more Jedi, though. And The Last Jedi or more symbolism, I think. Not necessarily referring to certain people, just the end of the Jedi Order as we know it. This new generation, they are extremely powerful, and they use balance. Kylo too.
Bendo.....hm.....sounds like Japanese Bento boxes. Grey Jedi, Jeth, something like that, perhaps.
Grey Sith is kinda a cool idea... I'm hoping for something even more balanced for a character, I don't care who. Like, a Grey Jedi uses the dark side a bit, but is still distinctly good. A Grey Sith would use the light side a bit, but assumedly would still lean bad. It'd be cool to see someone directly centered.
Its definitely not.
Yeah... Do you think Kylo will redeem himself? I really hope not.
No, it's Bendu. With a 'u'. And it should sound Japanese... I mean, so does Jedi when you think about it. It's also definitely influenced by Asian culture.
That sounds pretty correct to me. Smart analysis. Though her attitude isn't quite the same as Anakin's... She doesn't complain enough.
Also, I'm I the only one who finds it slightly odd for some reason that she'd be a Skywalker with a British accent? I mean, it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just kinda a weird idea to me.
lol Well, that's because Anakin turned Sith. Welp, the actor is British. I watched a video about how they were casting Rey, and JJ talks about how perfect Daisy Ridley was for it. I think the accent was some extra thing they just had to ignore. John Boyega has a thick British accent, somehow he got rid of it. Anyway, Unkar Plutt has a bit of an accent. I wonder if it's a Jakku accent.
Well, if she was a true Skywalker, she wouldn't want to go back to Jakku. Too much annoying sand. It's coarse, and it's rough, and it's irritating, and it gets everywhere.
Yeah... I mean, it's not really an issue... I BELIEVE, though I'm not certain, that the guy who played old Anakin at the end of ROTJ was British. It's still odd, though. And, yeah, I've heard Boyega... His American accent is incredible, though.
Yah, I can agree on that. Han starts Rey on her path, and Luke takes the Yoda role, and does her actual training. Though, at the same time, his character is very different from that of Yoda. Well, the film kept harping on her parentage, so that's probably why.
So I've heard plus she gets cool white sabers in Rebels. Well, who says Rey is the one which made the Force awaken? Maybe the Force awakened because now there are active users of the Light and Dark side of the Force, rather than just one side... Though, FTR, Rey used the Dark Side to defeat Kylo, not the light. Or maybe it awakened when Kylo killed Han, fully accepting the dark? It's implied it's Rey, but we don't know. I don't think there's anyone alive that we don't know about, though. Anakin's Force Ghost could still be active, but I don't think there's some surprise character. Could be wrong though.
Kinda? I got a basic idea.
Well, actually, I really dislike Padme because I'm not a Natalie Portman fan. She acts pretty similar in every role, and I'm not a huge fan of her... schtick? Routine? I don't know what to call it. She kinda ruined the character for me, though. BUT you're missing my point, anyway. Carrie was 18 when they made ANH, so they couldn't really cast someone who could realistically turn into Carrie Fisher by the time of ANH, because there's not enough time in between the Leia film and ANH. Han would have about 10 years in between his solo film and ANH, for Alden's version to turn into Harrison's. Leia, on the other hand, if they wanted to give her ten years to turn I nto her ANH version, would be 8 in her solo film.
ah. Well, let me know if you do.
Well, it's not neccesarily that they don't seem to like it... I mean, Guiness hated it, but Peter Cushing, who was very famous, had a lot of fun and wished his character had survived so that he could be in a sequel. Lee had to be gotten rid of quickly, because they needed to make way for the coming of Vader... Lee even returned for a cartoon movie of the Clone Wars which was released, I think, in 2008. Felicity Jones honestly isn't that famous, and the majority of her fame CAME from R1. Donnie Yen is rather famous, though... But this is another case like Lee's. It's not that they don't like sticking around, it's that the story calls for their characters' end.
Maybe in a video game or cartoon or something. I would be surprised if it was VIII or IX.
Yoda sometimes annoys me. I know every Star Wars fan would scream to hear that, but he can bug me. People say Rey's identity was made to be discussed. But the only way to make it clearer would be to say, "Don't you know who your parents are, Rey?"
Really.....interesting. I think there are other things going on. Things to be revealed in Episode 8. Everyone seems to be surrounded in darkness, the past is directly hinted at. Something bad happened. (But, I could be wrong )
I liked Padme a lot. The actor was pretty good, except in The Phantom Menace. A lot of the time I don't care for the actors, it's the character. That's true. I dunno. I don't like CGI, so they would have to do a lot of make-up.
I can dig it up.
True. Maybe they just don't like famous actors in Star Wars. But Felicity Jones has other movies, I saw one, and I know of others. I dunno, I've always found it weird that famous actors don't stick around long.
No, no, no. Everybody watches the films, he's gotta return in those.
*Screams upon hearing that* Yeah... I actually still wouldn't be too surprised if her parents were not Skywalkers or Solos. I don't think Rian is the type to go for the obvious.
Yeah, I just think that the bad thing that happened was just Kylo turning evil under Snoke's influence, and smashing all of the Jedi. It'd be interesting, though, to learn more about Snoke. I think that's were most of the dark secrets lie.
Nah, it was definitely Natalie Portman which turned my off the character. I hated her in Thor as well. She's just not a good actress, IMO. The character was fine.
I like CGI when it's used tastefully. I think it was kinda overdone in R1. HOWEVER, Star Wars has a history of innovating Special Effects and further developing them until they're magnificent. So, if they do this type of thing again, it could end up looking quite good.
Alrighty.
Well, being in other films doesn't mean she's famous. She wasn't really mainstream-known until after R1. She wasn't obscure, or anything, but she wasn't leading lady of a blockbuster. Might just be a salary thing.