You specifically said that Dwarves storm up ladders. I am assumed they are included in Siege Towers. I am still new to this. You never said you are attacking from multiple directions. And if we were assuming you were attacking from multiple directions, we would also be assuming my troops are spread out also. And the Warrior Monks would have to be on the walls to pursue the archers, because the archers are on the walls. Also, you said swordmen and Khazad Zigil Uzbad enter the fortress, but there is no fortress, so the only place they could go is on the wall. Sorry about the Rams, you said they were going to gatehouses in a post earlier, and changed it to walls. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT DON'T MAKE A MOVE? Just trying to make sure you saw it. But I said not to make a move until we sort everything out. That means, pause the battle until we know where everything is and what has happened. I am nulling your move, until we know where every thing is and what is happening. And my problem isn't with you moving all of your troops, it is with you knocking down a wall every time you do a move.
The ladders are the ladders inside the siege towers that the dwarves use to climb the tower.
When I say fortress I mean your city/citadel/FORTRESS/castle/whatever you call it. The Swordsmen and the Khazad Zigil Uzbad are inside the walls, because that's inside the fortress.
I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE MONKS WERE ON THE GROUND SINCE THEY COULDN'T CHASE THE ARCHERS! PAY ATTENTION!
Whatever.
I'm knocking down a wall every turn because you're just going to run away anyway, so it doesn't matter if the walls collapse. And actually, I waited three turns before knocking this wall down.
I've explained everything that's going on.
How do you get into the fortress? There are walls surrounding it. Yes it does matter if the walls collapse, because you have troops on it, so they would die. So do you agree that the wall collapses?
The ladders are the ladders inside the siege towers that the dwarves use to climb the tower.
When I say fortress I mean your city/citadel/FORTRESS/castle/whatever you call it. The Swordsmen and the Khazad Zigil Uzbad are inside the walls, because that's inside the fortress.
I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE MONKS WERE ON THE GROUND SINCE THEY COULDN'T CHASE THE ARCHERS! PAY ATTENTION!
Whatever.
I'm knocking down a wall every turn because you're just going to run away anyway, so it doesn't matter if the walls collapse. And actually, I waited three turns before knocking this wall down.
I've explained everything that's going on.
How do you get into the fortress? There are walls surrounding it. Yes it does matter if the walls collapse, because you have troops on it, so they would die. So do you agree that the wall collapses?
By fortress I mean the entire thing you have in the region, walls and all.
When I talk about the walls collapsing, I mean the walls separating me from the keep. If you don't have men on the wall, it doesn't matter if I knock it down.
How do you get into the fortress? There are walls surrounding it. Yes it does matter if the walls collapse, because you have troops on it, so they would die. So do you agree that the wall collapses?
By fortress I mean the entire thing you have in the region, walls and all.
When I talk about the walls collapsing, I mean the walls separating me from the keep. If you don't have men on the wall, it doesn't matter if I knock it down.
I have a suggestion. I am getting confused at what you are saying. So lets rewind to the first couple moves, and decide what happens there. After each move will move to the next. If at any point the situation is different from what you or I would like it, they may change their move. If a move gets changed we will restart the battle at that point. If no moves get changed, we resume as it was with everything cleared up. Is that OK?
By fortress I mean the entire thing you have in the region, walls and all.
When I talk about the walls collapsing, I mean the walls separating me from the keep. If you don't have men on the wall, it doesn't matter if I knock it down.
I have a suggestion. I am getting confused at what you are saying. So lets rewind to the first couple moves, and decide what happens there. After each move will move to the next. If at any point the situation is different from what you or I would like it, they may change their move. If a move gets changed we will restart the battle at that point. If no moves get changed, we resume as it was with everything cleared up. Is that OK?
I have a suggestion. I am getting confused at what you are saying. So lets rewind to the first couple moves, and decide what happens there. After each move will move to the next. If at any point the situation is different from what you or I would like it, they may change their move. If a move gets changed we will restart the battle at that point. If no moves get changed, we resume as it was with everything cleared up. Is that OK?
Fortunately this battle hasn't made it very far, or else I wouldn't be able to help much.
So, Mario, here's what's happening (as far as I can tell). LB started off by storming the outer wall of your fortress (fortress hereby meaning "your collection of defenses, typically covering your outermost wall all the way to the deepest point of the keep or equivalent thereof"). He moved siege towers (with ladders inside them) up to your walls and flooded it with troops, while he used his rams to knock down an unoccupied section of said wall. You artillery destroyed a couple of his siege towers, however, and also evacuated the first wall before it was captured. Once on the first wall, LB set up his archers there and fired on your archers, while his infantry moved into the space between the walls. Also, his ram(s) moved through the breach they made in the first wall and started on the second wall, while some of his onagers also switched from firing on the keep to firing on the second wall. That's about all that's happened.
But also, a quick note on the wall. If this wall is of any use as a defense, there shouldn't be any worry of it collapsing under the weight of too many people. If it can take even a single hit from an onager or battering ram, it's going to be very difficult to squeeze so many people onto any section of the wall as to make it collapse.
Fortunately this battle hasn't made it very far, or else I wouldn't be able to help much.
So, Mario, here's what's happening (as far as I can tell). LB started off by storming the outer wall of your fortress (fortress hereby meaning "your collection of defenses, typically covering your outermost wall all the way to the deepest point of the keep or equivalent thereof"). He moved siege towers (with ladders inside them) up to your walls and flooded it with troops, while he used his rams to knock down an unoccupied section of said wall. You artillery destroyed a couple of his siege towers, however, and also evacuated the first wall before it was captured. Once on the first wall, LB set up his archers there and fired on your archers, while his infantry moved into the space between the walls. Also, his ram(s) moved through the breach they made in the first wall and started on the second wall, while some of his onagers also switched from firing on the keep to firing on the second wall. That's about all that's happened.
But also, a quick note on the wall. If this wall is of any use as a defense, there shouldn't be any worry of it collapsing under the weight of too many people. If it can take even a single hit from an onager or battering ram, it's going to be very difficult to squeeze so many people onto any section of the wall as to make it collapse.
Since I am on, reading this, and can't help but notice the wall stuff, I'd like to talk about that. He purposefully designed said wall to collaspe when Legobuilder took it over, not as a proper defense. Beyond that, I'm afraid I have confidentiality to maintian.
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Fortunately this battle hasn't made it very far, or else I wouldn't be able to help much.
So, Mario, here's what's happening (as far as I can tell). LB started off by storming the outer wall of your fortress (fortress hereby meaning "your collection of defenses, typically covering your outermost wall all the way to the deepest point of the keep or equivalent thereof"). He moved siege towers (with ladders inside them) up to your walls and flooded it with troops, while he used his rams to knock down an unoccupied section of said wall. You artillery destroyed a couple of his siege towers, however, and also evacuated the first wall before it was captured. Once on the first wall, LB set up his archers there and fired on your archers, while his infantry moved into the space between the walls. Also, his ram(s) moved through the breach they made in the first wall and started on the second wall, while some of his onagers also switched from firing on the keep to firing on the second wall. That's about all that's happened.
But also, a quick note on the wall. If this wall is of any use as a defense, there shouldn't be any worry of it collapsing under the weight of too many people. If it can take even a single hit from an onager or battering ram, it's going to be very difficult to squeeze so many people onto any section of the wall as to make it collapse.
Since I am on, reading this, and can't help but notice the wall stuff, I'd like to talk about that. He purposefully designed said wall to collaspe when Legobuilder took it over, not as a proper defense. Beyond that, I'm afraid I have confidentiality to maintian.
The problem with that is in keeping it from collapsing before the Dwarves get on top of it. As far as has been stated, no major actions regarding the structural integrity of that portion of the wall were taken between when Mario retreated and LB advanced. Given that Men tend to be heavier than Dwarves (given their height), it would be very unlikely that the wall would stand under more weight but collapse under moderately less (but still stand when there's no additional weight on top).
Since I am on, reading this, and can't help but notice the wall stuff, I'd like to talk about that. He purposefully designed said wall to collaspe when Legobuilder took it over, not as a proper defense. Beyond that, I'm afraid I have confidentiality to maintian.
The problem with that is in keeping it from collapsing before the Dwarves get on top of it. As far as has been stated, no major actions regarding the structural integrity of that portion of the wall were taken between when Mario retreated and LB advanced. Given that Men tend to be heavier than Dwarves (given their height), it would be very unlikely that the wall would stand under more weight but collapse under moderately less (but still stand when there's no additional weight on top).
Men would not be much heavier then men, if at all. Dwarves may be smaller in height, but they are broader and more fat. This would mean I could make it fall with a little more weight then I have on it, and the Dwarves would collapse it because he has 700 compared to my 500.
The problem with that is in keeping it from collapsing before the Dwarves get on top of it. As far as has been stated, no major actions regarding the structural integrity of that portion of the wall were taken between when Mario retreated and LB advanced. Given that Men tend to be heavier than Dwarves (given their height), it would be very unlikely that the wall would stand under more weight but collapse under moderately less (but still stand when there's no additional weight on top).
Men would not be much heavier then men, if at all. Dwarves may be smaller in height, but they are broader and more fat. This would mean I could make it fall with a little more weight then I have on it, and the Dwarves would collapse it because he has 700 compared to my 500.
Yes, but Men would still be a bit heavier. Distribution of weight, my dear friend. Yes, he has two hundred more Dwarves than you had Men, but chances are they're not packed into the same area. If the Dwarves were only as packed together as the Men were, then any individual point of the wall will be holding the same amount even though the wall as a whole will be holding more. Thus, the wall can hold any reasonable amount of troops as long as they're properly spread out so as to not exceed the weight capacity at any given point on the wall. Furthermore, any structure is going to show some signs of weakness shortly before collapsing. Any Dwarf paying some attention might notice some of these signs, particularly given the excessively low capacity of the wall. And if anyone did a quick inspection of the wall, its structural integrity would be discovered quite rapidly (not that LB's troops did any such inspection that I know of).
Men would not be much heavier then men, if at all. Dwarves may be smaller in height, but they are broader and more fat. This would mean I could make it fall with a little more weight then I have on it, and the Dwarves would collapse it because he has 700 compared to my 500.
Yes, but Men would still be a bit heavier. Distribution of weight, my dear friend. Yes, he has two hundred more Dwarves than you had Men, but chances are they're not packed into the same area. If the Dwarves were only as packed together as the Men were, then any individual point of the wall will be holding the same amount even though the wall as a whole will be holding more. Thus, the wall can hold any reasonable amount of troops as long as they're properly spread out so as to not exceed the weight capacity at any given point on the wall. Furthermore, any structure is going to show some signs of weakness shortly before collapsing. Any Dwarf paying some attention might notice some of these signs, particularly given the excessively low capacity of the wall. And if anyone did a quick inspection of the wall, its structural integrity would be discovered quite rapidly (not that LB's troops did any such inspection that I know of).
I discussed your first point with LegoBuilder. If you are assuming the Dwarves are spread out, we can assume the same for me. And he did not say that he took an inspection, so that doesn't matter. And no moves were made against the wall collapsing.
Yes, but Men would still be a bit heavier. Distribution of weight, my dear friend. Yes, he has two hundred more Dwarves than you had Men, but chances are they're not packed into the same area. If the Dwarves were only as packed together as the Men were, then any individual point of the wall will be holding the same amount even though the wall as a whole will be holding more. Thus, the wall can hold any reasonable amount of troops as long as they're properly spread out so as to not exceed the weight capacity at any given point on the wall. Furthermore, any structure is going to show some signs of weakness shortly before collapsing. Any Dwarf paying some attention might notice some of these signs, particularly given the excessively low capacity of the wall. And if anyone did a quick inspection of the wall, its structural integrity would be discovered quite rapidly (not that LB's troops did any such inspection that I know of).
I discussed your first point with LegoBuilder. If you are assuming the Dwarves are spread out, we can assume the same for me. And he did not say that he took an inspection, so that doesn't matter. And no moves were made against the wall collapsing.
If this wall was designed to collapse then the first catapult shots would have collapsed it. Also, you never said that your men are spread out. If you can assume that then we can assume that the Gunukun left the walls as soon as they captured the gatehouse.
I discussed your first point with LegoBuilder. If you are assuming the Dwarves are spread out, we can assume the same for me. And he did not say that he took an inspection, so that doesn't matter. And no moves were made against the wall collapsing.
If this wall was designed to collapse then the first catapult shots would have collapsed it. Also, you never said that your men are spread out. If you can assume that then we can assume that the Gunukun left the walls as soon as they captured the gatehouse.
Then we need to start over from the point of the first wall collapsing because I was still making moves from on top of the walls. I never said that my men were spread out, but neither did you. And the last point doesn't change anything because that any troops on the part were the wall collapses would die from the fall, or at least become incapable to battle. If you insist your guys and catapults are spread out, I would say 300 hundred losses for me, and 350 clumped together. The rest would make it across with 3 ladders. We resume from with the battle rams and siege towers at the ruins of the first wall, my surviving troops on the second wall placing ladders, and the warrior monks moving across the ground, deal?
If this wall was designed to collapse then the first catapult shots would have collapsed it. Also, you never said that your men are spread out. If you can assume that then we can assume that the Gunukun left the walls as soon as they captured the gatehouse.
Then we need to start over from the point of the first wall collapsing because I was still making moves from on top of the walls. I never said that my men were spread out, but neither did you. And the last point doesn't change anything because that any troops on the part were the wall collapses would die from the fall, or at least become incapable to battle. If you insist your guys and catapults are spread out, I would say 300 hundred losses for me, and 350 clumped together. The rest would make it across with 3 ladders. We resume from with the battle rams and siege towers at the ruins of the first wall, my surviving troops on the second wall placing ladders, and the warrior monks moving across the ground, deal?
I don't think you understand that there is no starting over once something happens.
I'm fine with saying that your men were spread out. It's the only way to fit them on a wall that's designed to collapse (i.e., very thin). But that also means that the dwarves would have been spread out.
But, concerning to collapsing wall: how exactly does one make the wall collapse? Extra weight? Pulling out a pin? The first one wouldn't be triggered if your men didn't set it off and the second one wouldn't work unless one of your men triggered it.
Then we need to start over from the point of the first wall collapsing because I was still making moves from on top of the walls. I never said that my men were spread out, but neither did you. And the last point doesn't change anything because that any troops on the part were the wall collapses would die from the fall, or at least become incapable to battle. If you insist your guys and catapults are spread out, I would say 300 hundred losses for me, and 350 clumped together. The rest would make it across with 3 ladders. We resume from with the battle rams and siege towers at the ruins of the first wall, my surviving troops on the second wall placing ladders, and the warrior monks moving across the ground, deal?
I don't think you understand that there is no starting over once something happens.
I'm fine with saying that your men were spread out. It's the only way to fit them on a wall that's designed to collapse (i.e., very thin). But that also means that the dwarves would have been spread out.
But, concerning to collapsing wall: how exactly does one make the wall collapse? Extra weight? Pulling out a pin? The first one wouldn't be triggered if your men didn't set it off and the second one wouldn't work unless one of your men triggered it.
But the thing is is that whether or not the wall collapses and kills your troops or mine, changes what is possible. So in example, if your people collapsed the first wall it would stop your men that died and make your battle rams to get crushed by boulders. This is where you need to make sure you are addressing problems before continuing to make moves.
I am saying that because yours are assumed spread out, and mines too, it doesn't matter if they are spread out.
I can make it collapse under enough weight, so that my people aren't enough weight to make it collapse but much more is, so your people would. It is a matter on how much weight, not that there is weight.
Random thing I just thought of, how would the battle rams be able to get momentum back up for only ten feet from destroying a wall?
Just trying to make sure you saw it. But I said not to make a move until we sort everything out. That means, pause the battle until we know where everything is and what has happened. I am nulling your move, until we know where every thing is and what is happening. And my problem isn't with you moving all of your troops, it is with you knocking down a wall every time you do a move.
