masterlegobuilders 100 Siege-worth enters the city. The Trebuchets are set up high atop the city walls, and they begin to fire down onto the heavily damaged Umbarian Siege Ships.
Numbers 6 Trebuchets 1 Onager
12 Ballistae are salvaged from the frigates, and they are placed in strategic positions behind the walls. They do not fire.
OOC: These siege engines came from Druwaith Iaur.
OOC: I think we agreed that my siege ships weren't heavily damaged, although they are still damaged and three of them (I consider Herumor II a siege ship) haven't even seen major combat. So... yeah Anyway:
IC: *My siege ships notice these being placed on the walls and sail in random paths to try and confuse them. They launch devastating volleys of flaming projectiles against the trebuchets seeking to destroy them or the wall beneath them.*
*All other ships launch volleys of flaming ballistae bolts against the newly installed ballistae and sail quickly in fairly random paths to minimize losses*
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masterlegobuilders 100 Siege-worth enters the city. The Trebuchets are set up high atop the city walls, and they begin to fire down onto the heavily damaged Umbarian Siege Ships.
Numbers 6 Trebuchets 1 Onager
12 Ballistae are salvaged from the frigates, and they are placed in strategic positions behind the walls. They do not fire.
OOC: These siege engines came from Druwaith Iaur.
OOC: I think we agreed that my siege ships weren't heavily damaged, although they are still damaged and three of them (I consider Herumor II a siege ship) haven't even seen major combat. So... yeah Anyway:
IC: *My siege ships notice these being placed on the walls and sail in random paths to try and confuse them. They launch devastating volleys of flaming projectiles against the trebuchets seeking to destroy them or the wall beneath them.*
*All other ships launch volleys of flaming ballistae bolts against the newly installed ballistae and sail quickly in fairly random paths to minimize losses*
OOC: Whatever.
IC: Anything that can launch a flaming projectile (Ballistae, mainly) doesn't have enough range to hit the trebuchets unless it gets closer. The Siege Ships try to move quickly, but are unable to due to the fact that they are siege ships. The Trebuchets continue their fire.
The other ships can't see the ballistae because the ballistae are behind a wall that is high enough to hide several men and a ballista.
OOC: I think we agreed that my siege ships weren't heavily damaged, although they are still damaged and three of them (I consider Herumor II a siege ship) haven't even seen major combat. So... yeah Anyway:
IC: *My siege ships notice these being placed on the walls and sail in random paths to try and confuse them. They launch devastating volleys of flaming projectiles against the trebuchets seeking to destroy them or the wall beneath them.*
*All other ships launch volleys of flaming ballistae bolts against the newly installed ballistae and sail quickly in fairly random paths to minimize losses*
OOC: Whatever.
IC: Anything that can launch a flaming projectile (Ballistae, mainly) doesn't have enough range to hit the trebuchets unless it gets closer. The Siege Ships try to move quickly, but are unable to due to the fact that they are siege ships. The Trebuchets continue their fire.
The other ships can't see the ballistae because the ballistae are behind a wall that is high enough to hide several men and a ballista.
*The siege ships are slower to start moving but once they accelerate they move fairly quickly. The longest range weapons on my siege ships (Siege ballistae and a treb or two per one of them) are able to hit them with flaming projectiles and all ships sail slightly closer so they can hit the trebuchets with greater accuracy, or just in general (Non-siege ships)*
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IC: Anything that can launch a flaming projectile (Ballistae, mainly) doesn't have enough range to hit the trebuchets unless it gets closer. The Siege Ships try to move quickly, but are unable to due to the fact that they are siege ships. The Trebuchets continue their fire.
The other ships can't see the ballistae because the ballistae are behind a wall that is high enough to hide several men and a ballista.
*The siege ships are slower to start moving but once they accelerate they move fairly quickly. The longest range weapons on my siege ships (Siege ballistae and a treb or two per one of them) are able to hit them with flaming projectiles and all ships sail slightly closer so they can hit the trebuchets with greater accuracy, or just in general (Non-siege ships)*
OOC: What flaming projectiles can a trebuchet launch?
The projectiles being launched at the trebuchets do some damage, destroying one of them, but not as much as they could due to the fact that they are being launched high into the air. Gravity slows their velocity some, so they are not as dangerous.
On the other hand, gravity speeds the projectiles of the five remaining trebuchets. They focus their fire at one siege ship. The boulders smash through the decks of the ships, weakening the masts and destroying some of the weaker siege engines.
*The siege ships are slower to start moving but once they accelerate they move fairly quickly. The longest range weapons on my siege ships (Siege ballistae and a treb or two per one of them) are able to hit them with flaming projectiles and all ships sail slightly closer so they can hit the trebuchets with greater accuracy, or just in general (Non-siege ships)*
OOC: What flaming projectiles can a trebuchet launch?
The projectiles being launched at the trebuchets do some damage, destroying one of them, but not as much as they could due to the fact that they are being launched high into the air. Gravity slows their velocity some, so they are not as dangerous.
On the other hand, gravity speeds the projectiles of the five remaining trebuchets. They focus their fire at one siege ship. The boulders smash through the decks of the ships, weakening the masts and destroying some of the weaker siege engines.
OOC: I dunno, anything that can burn Y'know, I was just thinking about this, and I thought, wait, how tall is this wall. Minas Tirith would have these capabilities, given it's built up on a mountain and has walls on multiple layers. Dol Amroth on the other hand, reasonably has one or two quite tall and pretty strong walls, but we can only speculate obviously. A lot of artists' impressions do put it on a cliff, but if we take their version of it it is completely invincible to even a massive assault. I swear I'm not on a personal rampage against your walls When the projectiles are fired up they will lose momentum, yes, but then they will gain about half-3/4 of that momentum back as they come back down. If they fire them at a flatter angle they will lose much less speed and therefore still cause a lot of damage. You see, momentum is reliant on velocity and mass, something the rocks have plenty of. So, even if they are only going at a few m/s they will still hit with incredible force due to their mass, and thus destroy the siege weapons. Also, if you dropped a rock from a trebuchet from 1m above a trebuchet I bet it would break it Gravity does speed your projectiles up, yes.
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OOC: What flaming projectiles can a trebuchet launch?
The projectiles being launched at the trebuchets do some damage, destroying one of them, but not as much as they could due to the fact that they are being launched high into the air. Gravity slows their velocity some, so they are not as dangerous.
On the other hand, gravity speeds the projectiles of the five remaining trebuchets. They focus their fire at one siege ship. The boulders smash through the decks of the ships, weakening the masts and destroying some of the weaker siege engines.
OOC: I dunno, anything that can burn Y'know, I was just thinking about this, and I thought, wait, how tall is this wall. Minas Tirith would have these capabilities, given it's built up on a mountain and has walls on multiple layers. Dol Amroth on the other hand, reasonably has one or two quite tall and pretty strong walls, but we can only speculate obviously. A lot of artists' impressions do put it on a cliff, but if we take their version of it it is completely invincible to even a massive assault. I swear I'm not on a personal rampage against your walls When the projectiles are fired up they will lose momentum, yes, but then they will gain about half-3/4 of that momentum back as they come back down. If they fire them at a flatter angle they will lose much less speed and therefore still cause a lot of damage. You see, momentum is reliant on velocity and mass, something the rocks have plenty of. So, even if they are only going at a few m/s they will still hit with incredible force due to their mass, and thus destroy the siege weapons. Also, if you dropped a rock from a trebuchet from 1m above a trebuchet I bet it would break it Gravity does speed your projectiles up, yes.
OOC: Rocks don't burn. Just a heads up. Don't get any ideas.
These are the defenses I have given Dol Amroth in my mind:
There is a fortified harbor at the base of the cliff. It is almost completely encircled by a very tall, but not particularly thick wall. It is about 30 feet high and 6 feet thick. However, these walls no longer exist due to the Battle of the Harbor a few hours ago.
The main defenses are on a promontory jutting out from the cliff against which the harbor is built. There is a fortified road leading up from the harbor to the citadel. The citadel has shortish walls, but they are very thick, as they must withstand primarily naval bombardments. There are two sets of walls, with the second set being taller, but thinner. The top of the outer wall is around 60 feet above sea level, with the inner wall rising even higher, and Tirith Aear rising above both walls.
The city proper is a couple hundred meters from the sea, and has moderate defenses. The walls are of average height and width, and gates are relatively solid. The city defenses are nowhere near as strong as the citadel, however.
OOC: I dunno, anything that can burn Y'know, I was just thinking about this, and I thought, wait, how tall is this wall. Minas Tirith would have these capabilities, given it's built up on a mountain and has walls on multiple layers. Dol Amroth on the other hand, reasonably has one or two quite tall and pretty strong walls, but we can only speculate obviously. A lot of artists' impressions do put it on a cliff, but if we take their version of it it is completely invincible to even a massive assault. I swear I'm not on a personal rampage against your walls When the projectiles are fired up they will lose momentum, yes, but then they will gain about half-3/4 of that momentum back as they come back down. If they fire them at a flatter angle they will lose much less speed and therefore still cause a lot of damage. You see, momentum is reliant on velocity and mass, something the rocks have plenty of. So, even if they are only going at a few m/s they will still hit with incredible force due to their mass, and thus destroy the siege weapons. Also, if you dropped a rock from a trebuchet from 1m above a trebuchet I bet it would break it Gravity does speed your projectiles up, yes.
OOC: Rocks don't burn. Just a heads up. Don't get any ideas.
These are the defenses I have given Dol Amroth in my mind:
There is a fortified harbor at the base of the cliff. It is almost completely encircled by a very tall, but not particularly thick wall. It is about 30 feet high and 6 feet thick. However, these walls no longer exist due to the Battle of the Harbor a few hours ago.
The main defenses are on a promontory jutting out from the cliff against which the harbor is built. There is a fortified road leading up from the harbor to the citadel. The citadel has shortish walls, but they are very thick, as they must withstand primarily naval bombardments. There are two sets of walls, with the second set being taller, but thinner. The top of the outer wall is around 60 feet above sea level, with the inner wall rising even higher, and Tirith Aear rising above both walls.
The city proper is a couple hundred meters from the sea, and has moderate defenses. The walls are of average height and width, and gates are relatively solid. The city defenses are nowhere near as strong as the citadel, however.
OOC: Not unless you cover them in something flammable
Mmhmmm, right
Alright, I did some calculations, and the walls of Minas Tirith should be between 70 and 90 feet roughly, most likely with the smallest at the top, according to the movies. Based on this, I would estimate that the outer citadel wall should be about 40 feet high and 8 ft thick, being newer and less well built, and the inner would be, maybe, 50 feet tall, and just as thick if not thicker (8-9 ft) (The taller the wall the higher it must be, as you know) Then obviously the base of those would be 5 or so feet from sea level, because land I'm not sure if shortish walls are 60 feet high It's still not going to be very hard for siege weapons to launch projectiles that high
Sure
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OOC: Rocks don't burn. Just a heads up. Don't get any ideas.
These are the defenses I have given Dol Amroth in my mind:
There is a fortified harbor at the base of the cliff. It is almost completely encircled by a very tall, but not particularly thick wall. It is about 30 feet high and 6 feet thick. However, these walls no longer exist due to the Battle of the Harbor a few hours ago.
The main defenses are on a promontory jutting out from the cliff against which the harbor is built. There is a fortified road leading up from the harbor to the citadel. The citadel has shortish walls, but they are very thick, as they must withstand primarily naval bombardments. There are two sets of walls, with the second set being taller, but thinner. The top of the outer wall is around 60 feet above sea level, with the inner wall rising even higher, and Tirith Aear rising above both walls.
The city proper is a couple hundred meters from the sea, and has moderate defenses. The walls are of average height and width, and gates are relatively solid. The city defenses are nowhere near as strong as the citadel, however.
OOC: Not unless you cover them in something flammable
Mmhmmm, right
Alright, I did some calculations, and the walls of Minas Tirith should be between 70 and 90 feet roughly, most likely with the smallest at the top, according to the movies. Based on this, I would estimate that the outer citadel wall should be about 40 feet high and 8 ft thick, being newer and less well built, and the inner would be, maybe, 50 feet tall, and just as thick if not thicker (8-9 ft) (The taller the wall the higher it must be, as you know) Then obviously the base of those would be 5 or so feet from sea level, because land I'm not sure if shortish walls are 60 feet high It's still not going to be very hard for siege weapons to launch projectiles that high
Sure
Edited version based on your comments.
There is a fortified harbor at the base of the cliff. It is almost completely encircled by a very tall, but not particularly thick wall. It is about 40 feet high and 8 feet thick. However, these walls no longer exist due to the Battle of the Harbor a few hours ago.
The main defenses are on a promontory jutting out from the cliff against which the harbor is built. There is a fortified road leading up from the harbor to the citadel. The citadel has strong walls that are very thick, as they must withstand primarily naval bombardments. There are two sets of walls, with the second set being taller, but thinner. The top of the outer wall is around 160 feet above sea level, with the inner wall rising even higher, and Tirith Aear rising above both walls.
The city proper is a couple hundred meters from the sea, and has moderate defenses. The walls are of average height and width, and gates are relatively solid. The city defenses are nowhere near as strong as the citadel, however.
OOC: Not unless you cover them in something flammable
Mmhmmm, right
Alright, I did some calculations, and the walls of Minas Tirith should be between 70 and 90 feet roughly, most likely with the smallest at the top, according to the movies. Based on this, I would estimate that the outer citadel wall should be about 40 feet high and 8 ft thick, being newer and less well built, and the inner would be, maybe, 50 feet tall, and just as thick if not thicker (8-9 ft) (The taller the wall the higher it must be, as you know) Then obviously the base of those would be 5 or so feet from sea level, because land I'm not sure if shortish walls are 60 feet high It's still not going to be very hard for siege weapons to launch projectiles that high
Sure
Edited version based on your comments.
There is a fortified harbor at the base of the cliff. It is almost completely encircled by a very tall, but not particularly thick wall. It is about 40 feet high and 8 feet thick. However, these walls no longer exist due to the Battle of the Harbor a few hours ago.
The main defenses are on a promontory jutting out from the cliff against which the harbor is built. There is a fortified road leading up from the harbor to the citadel. The citadel has strong walls that are very thick, as they must withstand primarily naval bombardments. There are two sets of walls, with the second set being taller, but thinner. The top of the outer wall is around 160 feet above sea level, with the inner wall rising even higher, and Tirith Aear rising above both walls.
The city proper is a couple hundred meters from the sea, and has moderate defenses. The walls are of average height and width, and gates are relatively solid. The city defenses are nowhere near as strong as the citadel, however.
Mhmm
I'm not sure if you read my comments right I prefered the 60 ft to this What about 100 ft, 50 for wall, 50 for cliff?
Sure
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I'm resetting the Haradrim navy to include the following
1 Battleships: 40 SWE
5 Destroyers: 100 SWE
4 Siege Ships: 200 SWE
The siege engines on the wall continue to target the enemy siege ships. The ballistae use flaming bolts and fire at the sails and deck of the vessels. The surviving trebuchets and the onager continue to fire down onto them as well.
One Scorpion is set up and begin to fire down at the crew of the battleship.
1,000 MWE enters the city from Anfalas and prepares for battle. Any archers in the army line the walls and fire at the enemy crew.
The Army of Dol Amroth 1,000 Sea-ward Crossbowmen - 1,200 MWE 700 Coastal Guard - 1,400 MWE 266 Archers of Tirith Aear - 400 MWE Total - 3,000 MWE
I'm resetting the Haradrim navy to include the following
1 Battleships: 40 SWE
5 Destroyers: 100 SWE
4 Siege Ships: 200 SWE
The siege engines on the wall continue to target the enemy siege ships. The ballistae use flaming bolts and fire at the sails and deck of the vessels. The surviving trebuchets and the onager continue to fire down onto them as well.
One Scorpion is set up and begin to fire down at the crew of the battleship.
1,000 MWE enters the city from Anfalas and prepares for battle. Any archers in the army line the walls and fire at the enemy crew.
The Army of Dol Amroth 1,000 Sea-ward Crossbowmen - 1,200 MWE 700 Coastal Guard - 1,400 MWE 266 Archers of Tirith Aear - 400 MWE Total - 3,000 MWE
The siege engines on the wall continue to target the enemy siege ships. The ballistae use flaming bolts and fire at the sails and deck of the vessels. The surviving trebuchets and the onager continue to fire down onto them as well.
One Scorpion is set up and begin to fire down at the crew of the battleship.
1,000 MWE enters the city from Anfalas and prepares for battle. Any archers in the army line the walls and fire at the enemy crew.
The Army of Dol Amroth 1,000 Sea-ward Crossbowmen - 1,200 MWE 700 Coastal Guard - 1,400 MWE 266 Archers of Tirith Aear - 400 MWE Total - 3,000 MWE
The navy pulls back out of range, and blockades the harbours instead
The Men within the citadel take this time to rest and recover from their wounds. There is a regular rotation of men on the walls, however, to make sure that the Haradrim do not catch them unawares.
OOC: There isn't really a harbor anymore. MLB destroyed it.
The navy pulls back out of range, and blockades the harbours instead
The Men within the citadel take this time to rest and recover from their wounds. There is a regular rotation of men on the walls, however, to make sure that the Haradrim do not catch them unawares.
OOC: There isn't really a harbor anymore. MLB destroyed it.
Anyway:
