That verse applies ONLY to Revelation itself. Remember that The Bible is not a single book -- it is a collection of DIFFERENT books each written by different people over the years.
But its the last book so I think it defines the whole bible, besides does that mean we could add to the rest?
No. But going back to Bobbywan's argument -- The Bible WOULD tell us whether or not musical instruments are bad. Since it doesn't, it is our right and our privilege to assume that playing instruments during worship isn't wrong.
Again -- Christianity is one of the most liberal religions in the world. We have a lot of freedom as to how we act out our faith. The choice in what worship music we use is just one example.
In a world of skepticism and critics, we cannot afford to be superstitious, or orthodox. Music is a great way to reach people.
Also, just from a purely logical standpoint: wouldn't it be pretty stupid for The Bible to put a ban on musical instruments? There is nothing particularly morally evil about a musical instrument. Heck -- the Human mouth is capable of far worse things than a musical instrument, and yet, by your logic, the mouth is the only musical instrument we're allowed to use.
I mean, the same thing we use to spout curses and insults is also the best instrument to use for worship? Logically speaking, a guitar is a far safer instrument to use during worship. And yet, our mouthes are explicitly allowed, and encouraged for, worship. Therefore, there shouldn't be anything wrong with musical instruments, and indeed, if you consult The Bible, there isn't anything wrong with musical instruments.
But hey, it's just a theory A GOD THEORY!!!!! Thanks for watching
The ending of Revelation is intended to be a warning against adding or taking away from the words of REVELATION specifically -- not any of the other books in The Bible, just Revelation.
However, if we follow that thread of logic you presented, Tweed, we could also say YOU are guilty of adding on to The Bible by saying that we are disallowed from playing musical instruments in worship. therefore, you are just as guilty of 'adding on' to The Bible as the very people who do play musical instruments.
I defer you back to Bobbywan's argument. To expect The Bible to specifically tell you everything you CAN do not just what you can't do is absolute folly. The whole point of the Christian Religion is that it isn't works based -- that we as followers of Christ have been liberated from the burdens most other religions present, because we've already been made salvageable. Following any sort of strict orthodoxy, therefore, would only serve to discredit our religion, and make us look no better than Buddhist monks.
If God wanted us to why didn't he tell us? let are stupid Logic figure it out? Play cue games in verses? You're the one who won't listen, you're defining what you think is best. Maybe Ib think we can do anything we want as long as we worship.
There's a difference between these three things:
God wants us to -- this means that the Bible (and honestly, Christ himself rather than Paul) specifically instructs that we do these things. These include loving your enemy as you love yourself and not judging others.
God wants us not to -- this means that the Bible specifically instructs that we avoid these things. This tends to include lying to Him, theft, etc.
God never told us what He thought -- this means that God neither forbade it nor told us that we must do it. It is most likely that He doesn't care either way as it's not important and doesn't lead to salvation or condemnation. Examples include bringing your dog to church, wearing blue as opposed to green, etc.
If God didn't tell us about instruments, it's incredibly likely that it's so low on the list of priorities that arguing about it is very, very pointless.
As for "are stupid Logic" -- I'm going to stop you right there and probably end this conversation. "Logic" as a school of thought and a study is very, very deeply tied to mathematics and is really a fundamental part of both the human mind and the way the universe works. To call it stupid is equivalent to calling God's design for the universe stupid, a claim which is in itself very stupid.
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Yah and in Revelation John gives a warning to any who add to the bible.
He said "this scroll," which meant the Book of Revelation. Even so, the point of Jesus' sacrifice was so that we wouldn't have to be perfect and follow all the rules to get to heaven. If we had a bunch of rules we had to follow like "don't use instruments to worship," that would defeat the purpose. We can't have rules like that because that would ruin the whole point of the crucifixion.
In Galatians Paul said, "It was for freedom that Christ set us free!" We have complete freedom in Jesus Christ. Technically we are free to do anything we want because we're covered by Jesus' righteousness. Even sin won't stop us from getting into heaven. But since we now have the Holy Spirit living in us, we shouldn't want to sin. We are being sanctified, and are becoming more and more like Jesus.
We Christians should be grateful for our freedom because it prevents us from being punished for our past sins, but instead of using our freedom as an excuse to keep sinning, we should be following Jesus' example and becoming more like Him.
This scroll could mean the whole bible, but does that mean we can add verses in Romans?
If God wanted us to why didn't he tell us? let are stupid Logic figure it out? Play cue games in verses? You're the one who won't listen, you're defining what you think is best. Maybe Ib think we can do anything we want as long as we worship.
Technically we can. We just shouldn't. See my last post. (if it made it up, it's about 3 paragraphs, that's how you'll know if it's the right one)
I saw it but I think the right Doctrine is also important, I said it was wrong, will it send you to hell if you use them in worship, no but still.
If God wanted us to why didn't he tell us? let are stupid Logic figure it out? Play cue games in verses? You're the one who won't listen, you're defining what you think is best. Maybe Ib think we can do anything we want as long as we worship.
You are not addressing my points, and just restating your belief, even as several people are poking holes in it
I' saying again and again we are to follow what the bible say but everyone seems to not agree.
There is nothing wrong with Singing, its done in Acts I think and the early church, funny thing is no Instruments, but if Paul had more money he surely would get some and get huge buildings to, right?
If Paul had gotten huge buildings for the early church to worship in, the early church would have been stamped out by the Romans very quickly.
If it was peaceful he wouldn't, the building concept is nowhere to be found.
But its the last book so I think it defines the whole bible, besides does that mean we could add to the rest?
No. But going back to Bobbywan's argument -- The Bible WOULD tell us whether or not musical instruments are bad. Since it doesn't, it is our right and our privilege to assume that playing instruments during worship isn't wrong.
Again -- Christianity is one of the most liberal religions in the world. We have a lot of freedom as to how we act out our faith. The choice in what worship music we use is just one example.
In a world of skepticism and critics, we cannot afford to be superstitious, or orthodox. Music is a great way to reach people.
Also, just from a purely logical standpoint: wouldn't it be pretty stupid for The Bible to put a ban on musical instruments? There is nothing particularly morally evil about a musical instrument. Heck -- the Human mouth is capable of far worse things than a musical instrument, and yet, by your logic, the mouth is the only musical instrument we're allowed to use.
I mean, the same thing we use to spout curses and insults is also the best instrument to use for worship? Logically speaking, a guitar is a far safer instrument to use during worship. And yet, our mouthes are explicitly allowed, and encouraged for, worship. Therefore, there shouldn't be anything wrong with musical instruments, and indeed, if you consult The Bible, there isn't anything wrong with musical instruments.
But hey, it's just a theory A GOD THEORY!!!!! Thanks for watching
Why doesn't God tell us everything, he tells us what to use and that's all we need. we don't decide what to add based on our own ideas. Orthodox means right, right thinking. its a theory, yes and its not that true, we're better not but i;m not about to call someone a Heretic over it.
If God wanted us to why didn't he tell us? let are stupid Logic figure it out? Play cue games in verses? You're the one who won't listen, you're defining what you think is best. Maybe Ib think we can do anything we want as long as we worship.
There's a difference between these three things:
God wants us to -- this means that the Bible (and honestly, Christ himself rather than Paul) specifically instructs that we do these things. These include loving your enemy as you love yourself and not judging others.
God wants us not to -- this means that the Bible specifically instructs that we avoid these things. This tends to include lying to Him, theft, etc.
God never told us what He thought -- this means that God neither forbade it nor told us that we must do it. It is most likely that He doesn't care either way as it's not important and doesn't lead to salvation or condemnation. Examples include bringing your dog to church, wearing blue as opposed to green, etc.
If God didn't tell us about instruments, it's incredibly likely that it's so low on the list of priorities that arguing about it is very, very pointless.
As for "are stupid Logic" -- I'm going to stop you right there and probably end this conversation. "Logic" as a school of thought and a study is very, very deeply tied to mathematics and is really a fundamental part of both the human mind and the way the universe works. To call it stupid is equivalent to calling God's design for the universe stupid, a claim which is in itself very stupid.
I mean are Logic as Human,s strike back those who strike us, do what we like etc, Jesus was different, we always have human natures and Logic so are reasoning isn't to be trusted, we reason on the bible but deciding tedious things, I don't think we're to decide what we think is best.
No. But going back to Bobbywan's argument -- The Bible WOULD tell us whether or not musical instruments are bad. Since it doesn't, it is our right and our privilege to assume that playing instruments during worship isn't wrong.
Again -- Christianity is one of the most liberal religions in the world. We have a lot of freedom as to how we act out our faith. The choice in what worship music we use is just one example.
In a world of skepticism and critics, we cannot afford to be superstitious, or orthodox. Music is a great way to reach people.
Also, just from a purely logical standpoint: wouldn't it be pretty stupid for The Bible to put a ban on musical instruments? There is nothing particularly morally evil about a musical instrument. Heck -- the Human mouth is capable of far worse things than a musical instrument, and yet, by your logic, the mouth is the only musical instrument we're allowed to use.
I mean, the same thing we use to spout curses and insults is also the best instrument to use for worship? Logically speaking, a guitar is a far safer instrument to use during worship. And yet, our mouthes are explicitly allowed, and encouraged for, worship. Therefore, there shouldn't be anything wrong with musical instruments, and indeed, if you consult The Bible, there isn't anything wrong with musical instruments.
But hey, it's just a theory A GOD THEORY!!!!! Thanks for watching
Why doesn't God tell us everything, he tells us what to use and that's all we need. we don't decide what to add based on our own ideas. Orthodox means right, right thinking. its a theory, yes and its not that true, we're better not but i;m not about to call someone a Heretic over it.
If The Bible omits many of the things Jesus did after he was resurrected -- I think it's safe to say that if it omits telling us what God's stance on musical instruments is, it just literally doesn't matter.
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