Jesus is God, that doesn't mean we get to say anything like he did.
Well, of course not. We definitely don't have the right to add on to The Bible -- but is a debate on musical instruments really adding on to The Bible? The book doesn't even come close to touching that subject, let alone making it clear.
the Jews don't by the way. Plus, if God wanted us to he would have told us.
The Lord's Supper isn't supposed to taste good, it's supposed to be a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice. You don't want people to enjoy the food, that will distract them. However, you do want people to enjoy praising God, right?
Me personally I think bread and grape juice was explicitly intended, and that's the example we should follow. In that way, we are literally living out that moment in The Bible.
If you know anything about the culture, there is no such thing as Grape Juice.
Well, of course not. We definitely don't have the right to add on to The Bible -- but is a debate on musical instruments really adding on to The Bible? The book doesn't even come close to touching that subject, let alone making it clear.
Adding onto the Bible is a condemned sin, actually. Read the end of Revelation.
I think that was a little more about actually adding but its the same thing so yes, thanks for your help.
Yes I did, thank you. but, who decides what's moral The Bible does. The Bible tell how to follow God, that's all we need in life.
Exactly. And since musical instruments are clearly Moral, they are excellent for using when we sing hymns, songs, etc. :tounge:
You seem to be implying that we can only do things the Bible tells us too. This is obviously ridiculous It never tells us to blink, or relieve ourselves, or take vitamins, or brush our teeth, or ride in cars, etc.
We wouldn't just wind up living miserable, pain filled lives in horrible, ascetic conditions, we'd die, if we followed what you say to the end.
Fortunately, the Bible never says that we are forbidden to do anything it doesn't exactly tell us to, and obviously it doesn't mean that. Why? because
1. it never says so. Such a point would be so important it would surely be said. It never is. Therefore, evidently, we can do things even it tell us to if they don't violate the Bibles Standards. As I previously said, this is clearly the intent, as the Bible can not deal with every consequential issue, but it sets standards against which we can judge everything.
2. It tells us things we shouldn't do. If we were forbidden to do anything it doesn't tell us to there would be no point it telling us things we can't do as it would already be forbidden.
Therefore, what you are saying makes no sense.
As Legobuilder pointed out, at the end of revelation it ells us something addressing this.
Exactly. And since musical instruments are clearly Moral, they are excellent for using when we sing hymns, songs, etc. :tounge:
You seem to be implying that we can only do things the Bible tells us too. This is obviously ridiculous It never tells us to blink, or relieve ourselves, or take vitamins, or brush our teeth, or ride in cars, etc.
We wouldn't just wind up living miserable, pain filled lives in horrible, ascetic conditions, we'd die, if we followed what you say to the end.
Fortunately, the Bible never says that we are forbidden to do anything it doesn't exactly tell us to, and obviously it doesn't mean that. Why? because
1. it never says so. Such a point would be so important it would surely be said. It never is. Therefore, evidently, we can do things even it tell us to if they don't violate the Bibles Standards. As I previously said, this is clearly the intent, as the Bible can not deal with every consequential issue, but it sets standards against which we can judge everything.
2. It tells us things we shouldn't do. If we were forbidden to do anything it doesn't tell us to there would be no point it telling us things we can't do as it would already be forbidden.
Therefore, what you are saying makes no sense.
As Legobuilder pointed out, at the end of revelation it ells us something addressing this.
I'm not adding anything. I'm not adding new revelation, or changing the words, which is what the verse is talking about.
I'm doing exactly what the Bible tells us to, as I have clearly set out. But since you aren't listening, and you're not actually responding to my points, good day, sir. This discussion is over.
Considering the Republican is the one who went into Iraq to stop a dictator who was hurting his own people, and now is the one who is going to Syria to do the same, I think they would?
To be fair, this new Republican is a lunatic who cheated his way into the presidency to make himself even MORE rich and famous than he already was
How could he possibly have cheated his way in? He had no control whatsoever over the election!
Jesus is God, that doesn't mean we get to say anything like he did.
Well, of course not. We definitely don't have the right to add on to The Bible -- but is a debate on musical instruments really adding on to The Bible? The book doesn't even come close to touching that subject, let alone making it clear.
Actually, a few pages back, Keplers gave an example of a verse from Colossians that said to worship God with instruments.
While I won't deny most of this, how is he going to get rich off of this when he's disconnected from his company for four years and refusing a salary?
He's getting free vacations, pretty much. Vacations payed for by our taxes
By "vacations," are you talking about visiting other countries? Because basically every president since Teddy Roosevelt has done that, it's an important part of politics and foreign relations. If he was using our tax money to visit Miami and do nothing for a week, that would be wrong.
There have been plenty of arguments. But we're mostly being more polite after an Admin warning.
Well, I actually saw one that I found pretty offensive to my faith, but I'm not sure if that was before the warning. And besides, I don't have time to respond to a bajillion posts here.
If it was something about the Catholic church, it was probably about the old Catholic Church. Like really old, at the time of the Reformation. We were talking about that, but I don't think we've said much at all about modern Catholicism.
If that's your opinion, it's fine, I suppose. But you realize that's saying C.S. Lewis was wrong to write Narnia, right? And I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that he was a devout Christian and that his writings were very symbolic. And his other writings were straight up about being a Christian.
Narnia is a story of Christ for children, the difference is its teaching good things not witchcraft.
Harry Potter does not "teach witchcraft" either. If I point a stick at someone and say Avada Kedavra they're not going to drop dead. HP spells have roots in Latin, English, or sometimes African languages. No real sorcery.
That is true, I don't see why pizza is any different.
Fine, i'll use the analogy, what if your parents gave you a cheese pizza and said don't add anything, but you didn't care and put pepperoni because you thought it was better, that's wrong because you disobeyed your parents, know Say God is your Parent, in a sense he is. if he gave you something and told you not to add to it, if you did you disobeyed God.
God never said not to add instruments to worship. Keplers found a verse in Colossians that actually did say to use instruments.
I think it made a great deal of sense. The Bible doesn't tell us everything we can and can't do, (you can use the Internet, you can't play with fire), it just gives us rules and standards for right and wrong. The things the Bible specifically tells us not to do are all we need to worry about as far as sin goes. Everything else is choice. (We can also use common sense, like in the "playing with fire" example.)
It tells us how to worship God, the most important thing ever.
Worshipping God is important, but spreading His Gospel is more important. Whether or not to use instruments is kind of irrelevant next to that, which is what we should really be worrying about.
Exactly. And since musical instruments are clearly Moral, they are excellent for using when we sing hymns, songs, etc. :tounge:
You seem to be implying that we can only do things the Bible tells us too. This is obviously ridiculous It never tells us to blink, or relieve ourselves, or take vitamins, or brush our teeth, or ride in cars, etc.
We wouldn't just wind up living miserable, pain filled lives in horrible, ascetic conditions, we'd die, if we followed what you say to the end.
Fortunately, the Bible never says that we are forbidden to do anything it doesn't exactly tell us to, and obviously it doesn't mean that. Why? because
1. it never says so. Such a point would be so important it would surely be said. It never is. Therefore, evidently, we can do things even it tell us to if they don't violate the Bibles Standards. As I previously said, this is clearly the intent, as the Bible can not deal with every consequential issue, but it sets standards against which we can judge everything.
2. It tells us things we shouldn't do. If we were forbidden to do anything it doesn't tell us to there would be no point it telling us things we can't do as it would already be forbidden.
Therefore, what you are saying makes no sense.
As Legobuilder pointed out, at the end of revelation it ells us something addressing this.
The ending of Revelation is intended to be a warning against adding or taking away from the words of REVELATION specifically -- not any of the other books in The Bible, just Revelation.
However, if we follow that thread of logic you presented, Tweed, we could also say YOU are guilty of adding on to The Bible by saying that we are disallowed from playing musical instruments in worship. therefore, you are just as guilty of 'adding on' to The Bible as the very people who do play musical instruments.
I defer you back to Bobbywan's argument. To expect The Bible to specifically tell you everything you CAN do not just what you can't do is absolute folly. The whole point of the Christian Religion is that it isn't works based -- that we as followers of Christ have been liberated from the burdens most other religions present, because we've already been made salvageable. Following any sort of strict orthodoxy, therefore, would only serve to discredit our religion, and make us look no better than Buddhist monks.
