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Post by The J on Dec 6, 2019 22:04:22 GMT
batonmaster500 TheFirstDecade Let's get the Chima discussion forum active again! I had this idea for a topic today. This is my tier list for the Chima TV show's main villains, ranking them from best to worst as characters. (Many villains in the show are simply comedic relief, or have canon names thanks to the sets, but aren't name dropped in the show, so this list is only for the primary villains and/or leaders of each antagonistic tribe. The exception to this rule is characters who aren't the leaders of their respective tribes, but are essentially the main villain of a particular episode. Unfortunately, since NO bats or icebears are name dropped in the show, not even their leaders, there won't be any bats or icebears on this list.) Keep in mind that this list just reflects my opinion, but it's also the right opinion.  (Joking.)  | S | Fangar | Cragger | Crooler |
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Explanation of each character's placement, from best to worst: S Tier- Fangar: My boy Sir Fangar is an easy S Tier. Now, I'm probably a bit biased, since he's my favorite villain, but let me explain why I think he's Chima's best canon villain. I have a lot to say about this guy. First off, if you think Fangar's motivations were just stealing chi (and Li'ella), you must've either not watched any of season 3, or only the first 1-3 episodes. Not only is there the whole backstory with the Phoenix, I think Fangar's motivation goes even deeper than what was stated directly in dialogue. Now, imagine for a minute that you're in Fangar's position, in the era before the Great Illumination. Your species is one of many primitive animals, though yours is one of a select few that has already evolved to be humanoid, and you have the capacity to learn and become smart. You and your people do so, after being let into the city atop the highest mountain, where you were educated by the one smart species. You gain tons of knowledge, and with it, you realize something; your people and the other humanoid species live in a world without oil or electricity, just barely managing to create some sort of steampunk vehicles to defend your villages. (Continued next post.)
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Post by The J on Dec 9, 2019 23:09:46 GMT
batonmaster500 TheFirstDecade Let's get the Chima discussion forum active again! I had this idea for a topic today. This is my tier list for the Chima TV show's main villains, ranking them from best to worst as characters. (Many villains in the show are simply comedic relief, or have canon names thanks to the sets, but aren't name dropped in the show, so this list is only for the primary villains and/or leaders of each antagonistic tribe. The exception to this rule is characters who aren't the leaders of their respective tribes, but are essentially the main villain of a particular episode. Unfortunately, since NO bats or icebears are name dropped in the show, not even their leaders, there won't be any bats or icebears on this list.) Keep in mind that this list just reflects my opinion, but it's also the right opinion.  (Joking.)  | S | Fangar | Cragger | Crooler |
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Explanation of each character's placement, from best to worst: S Tier- Fangar: My boy Sir Fangar is an easy S Tier. Now, I'm probably a bit biased, since he's my favorite villain, but let me explain why I think he's Chima's best canon villain. I have a lot to say about this guy. First off, if you think Fangar's motivations were just stealing chi (and Li'ella), you must've either not watched any of season 3, or only the first 1-3 episodes. Not only is there the whole backstory with the Phoenix, I think Fangar's motivation goes even deeper than what was stated directly in dialogue. Now, imagine for a minute that you're in Fangar's position, in the era before the Great Illumination. Your species is one of many primitive animals, though yours is one of a select few that has already evolved to be humanoid, and you have the capacity to learn and become smart. You and your people do so, after being let into the city atop the highest mountain, where you were educated by the one smart species. You gain tons of knowledge, and with it, you realize something; your people and the other humanoid species live in a world without oil or electricity, just barely managing to create some sort of steampunk vehicles to defend your villages. (Continued next post.) New post: Meanwhile, the species that lives on top of the highest mountain and "watches over" all the other species has way more advanced technology, and they hold a monopoly over the power source used to fuel said technology, making it so that any species that isn't "skyborn" will be burned to death if they try to use it.* In addition to all this power, the dominating species also has their own elemental power, with which a literal child can become strong enough to melt an entire fortress (as evidenced in episode 36). Yeah, if I was Fangar, I would've been terrified of the Phoenix, and the sheer power gap between them and the other species. Sir Fangar's initial motivation to overthrow the Phoenix made sense, as the (essentially) demigods could smite down the other peoples of Chima if they wanted to, and, after returning to life with ice powers (after being struck down by the Phoenix' insanely powerful, nearly world-resetting ability in response to the preemptive strike against them), Fangar and the others were consumed with vengeance, going from revolutionaries to hunters, and didn't care if they had to freeze all the other people in Chima to get to the Phoenix. (Since getting frozen by the Ice Hunters doesn't end lives, Fangar used this as justification for freezing the people of Chima. And before that, he'd used the ancient tunnels to avoid conflict with other species; if it wasn't for the Tunnel Cats, they wouldn't have had to fight any tigers.) Notice how Sir Fangar and the other Ice Hunters turned good only after the Phoenix left Chima, and removed both the elemental powers from the world. Admittedly, this revolutionary mindset, and the idea that Fangar never wanted to destroy non-Phoenix, is contradicted by the whole Li'ella backstory, but... let's be honest, that bit of lore was only a half-baked attempt to justify the walking plot hole that is Li'ella, and it still doesn't make sense for there to have been evolved lions in that era, so... let's just ignore that. Plus, we don't know the full story there. Maybe that group of lions somehow posed a threat to the Hunters, and was a valuable ally to the Phoenix. (Li'ella should've just been a tiger, honestly...) To be clear, I'm not trying to justify Fangar's actions. As we saw, the Phoenix weren't planning to start ruling the other species out of fear, and Fangar's preemptive strike against a people that may be a threat is a very questionable and debatable action. Though Fluminox and Fangar are both great characters, and I can understand both their points of view. There should've been more interactions between those two. Honestly, I'd watch a whole episode that's just Fangar and Fluminox debating, and then fighting. We could've gotten an episode like that, instead of the awful Flinx filler episode that made the Hunters seem like fools... oh, well. *Side note: I know there were some discrepancies about this for some reason, but yes, fire chi was created before Cavora's chi. It's made clear in episode 31 that Fangar already knows what fire chi is, despite having seen it for the first time since his awakening, in episode 30. There is no way Fangar would've known what fire chi was, if it had been created after he was frozen.
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Post by batonmaster500 on Dec 11, 2019 2:13:43 GMT
Rawlin is S Tier. But seriously, Fangar's the only good villain in canon chima.
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Dec 11, 2019 17:43:55 GMT
-last edited on Dec 11, 2019 17:45:40 GMT by The J
Post by The J on Dec 11, 2019 17:43:55 GMT
Rawlin is S Tier. But seriously, Fangar's the only good villain in canon chima. What about Bliston? ![[lenny]](http://storage.proboards.com/6672327/images/7elNEqtPK2hcSAiIMFNh.png) Well, Cragger and Crooler I thought were pretty solid (until Cragger started becoming cliche in the last five episodes of season 1).
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Dec 11, 2019 18:19:54 GMT
Post by batonmaster500 on Dec 11, 2019 18:19:54 GMT
Rawlin is S Tier. But seriously, Fangar's the only good villain in canon chima. What about Bliston? Well, Cragger and Crooler I thought were pretty solid (until Cragger started becoming cliche in the last five episodes of season 1). Bliston's working for the good of his tribe and the good of Chima though, so he'd be like a good antagonist or something. Like Iron Man/Captain America in Civil War.
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Dec 12, 2019 17:23:42 GMT
Post by The J on Dec 12, 2019 17:23:42 GMT
What about Bliston? Well, Cragger and Crooler I thought were pretty solid (until Cragger started becoming cliche in the last five episodes of season 1). Bliston's working for the good of his tribe and the good of Chima though, so he'd be like a good antagonist or something. Like Iron Man/Captain America in Civil War. Yeah, Bliston isn't really evil. Scorpix started out as a villain, but I retconned him to be more nuanced.
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Dec 12, 2019 18:07:53 GMT
Post by The J on Dec 12, 2019 18:07:53 GMT
batonmaster500 TheFirstDecade Let's get the Chima discussion forum active again! I had this idea for a topic today. This is my tier list for the Chima TV show's main villains, ranking them from best to worst as characters. (Many villains in the show are simply comedic relief, or have canon names thanks to the sets, but aren't name dropped in the show, so this list is only for the primary villains and/or leaders of each antagonistic tribe. The exception to this rule is characters who aren't the leaders of their respective tribes, but are essentially the main villain of a particular episode. Unfortunately, since NO bats or icebears are name dropped in the show, not even their leaders, there won't be any bats or icebears on this list.) Keep in mind that this list just reflects my opinion, but it's also the right opinion. (Joking.) | S | Fangar | Cragger | Crooler |
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Explanation of each character's placement, from best to worst: S Tier- Fangar: My boy Sir Fangar is an easy S Tier. Now, I'm probably a bit biased, since he's my favorite villain, but let me explain why I think he's Chima's best canon villain. I have a lot to say about this guy. First off, if you think Fangar's motivations were just stealing chi (and Li'ella), you must've either not watched any of season 3, or only the first 1-3 episodes. Not only is there the whole backstory with the Phoenix, I think Fangar's motivation goes even deeper than what was stated directly in dialogue. Now, imagine for a minute that you're in Fangar's position, in the era before the Great Illumination. Your species is one of many primitive animals, though yours is one of a select few that has already evolved to be humanoid, and you have the capacity to learn and become smart. You and your people do so, after being let into the city atop the highest mountain, where you were educated by the one smart species. You gain tons of knowledge, and with it, you realize something; your people and the other humanoid species live in a world without oil or electricity, just barely managing to create some sort of steampunk vehicles to defend your villages. (Continued next post.) New post: Meanwhile, the species that lives on top of the highest mountain and "watches over" all the other species has way more advanced technology, and they hold a monopoly over the power source used to fuel said technology, making it so that any species that isn't "skyborn" will be burned to death if they try to use it.* In addition to all this power, the dominating species also has their own elemental power, with which a literal child can become strong enough to melt an entire fortress (as evidenced in episode 36). Yeah, if I was Fangar, I would've been terrified of the Phoenix, and the sheer power gap between them and the other species. Sir Fangar's initial motivation to overthrow the Phoenix made sense, as the (essentially) demigods could smite down the other peoples of Chima if they wanted to, and, after returning to life with ice powers (after being struck down by the Phoenix' insanely powerful, nearly world-resetting ability in response to the preemptive strike against them), Fangar and the others were consumed with vengeance, going from revolutionaries to hunters, and didn't care if they had to freeze all the other people in Chima to get to the Phoenix. (Since getting frozen by the Ice Hunters doesn't end lives, Fangar used this as justification for freezing the people of Chima. And before that, he'd used the ancient tunnels to avoid conflict with other species; if it wasn't for the Tunnel Cats, they wouldn't have had to fight any tigers.) Notice how Sir Fangar and the other Ice Hunters turned good only after the Phoenix left Chima, and removed both the elemental powers from the world. Admittedly, this revolutionary mindset, and the idea that Fangar never wanted to destroy non-Phoenix, is contradicted by the whole Li'ella backstory, but... let's be honest, that bit of lore was only a half-baked attempt to justify the walking plot hole that is Li'ella, and it still doesn't make sense for there to have been evolved lions in that era, so... let's just ignore that. Plus, we don't know the full story there. Maybe that group of lions somehow posed a threat to the Hunters, and was a valuable ally to the Phoenix. (Li'ella should've just been a tiger, honestly...) To be clear, I'm not trying to justify Fangar's actions. As we saw, the Phoenix weren't planning to start ruling the other species out of fear, and Fangar's preemptive strike against a people that may be a threat is a very questionable and debatable action. Though Fluminox and Fangar are both great characters, and I can understand both their points of view. There should've been more interactions between those two. Honestly, I'd watch a whole episode that's just Fangar and Fluminox debating, and then fighting. We could've gotten an episode like that, instead of the awful Flinx filler episode that made the Hunters seem like fools... oh, well. *Side note: I know there were some discrepancies about this for some reason, but yes, fire chi was created before Cavora's chi. It's made clear in episode 31 that Fangar already knows what fire chi is, despite having seen it for the first time since his awakening, in episode 30. There is no way Fangar would've known what fire chi was, if it had been created after he was frozen. New post: S Tier (continued) - Cragger and Crooler: I thought the croc twins were pretty effective villains for season one. Clear and compelling motivations, and they played off of each other well (the twins are less interesting villains on their own). Not really much to analyze about them; unlike Fangar, they don't have additional motivation implied through dialogue. Cragger and Crooler's motivations were pretty much laid out clearly in episodes 1 and 17, respectively. Crooler may have kind of overreacted to not being considered the "first born", but keep in mind that Crominus and Crunket's is the only royal house in the Croc Tribe. In real life, if a medieval princess was mad that she wasn't made queen, she could just marry the prince of a neighboring country, and thus become the queen over there, but such wasn't the case for Crooler. I also like how neither of the crocs were cliche, completely evil overlords with glowing red eyes, trying to conquer the world just for the sake of it. Though Cragger eventually devolved into that kind of villain in episodes 16-20,** and Crooler was demoted to a background character for the rest of the series, because the writers couldn't figure out how to redeem her until the Illumination, which is why Cragger and Crooler are below Fangar on the tier list, in that order. A Tier- Crominus: Very solid motivation for wanting to get rid of Lavertus, and he was a pretty important villain, since he planted the persuader plants that Crooler would use. I mean, he was the Croc prince, and the princess from (presumably) the only other Croc royal family was in love with someone else, of a different species, no less (eugh...). Obviously though, people should marry whoever they want, but Crominus grew up in a medieval society, and his parents probably told him that he had to marry the princess, anyway. You could say that Crominus was brainwashed (persuader plant symbolism? Not sure if that was intentional) by a backwards society into getting someone innocent exiled, so that he could marry who he's "supposed" to. This says a lot about society. Though it is kind of sad that Crominus was a more developed villain in one flashback than the Crawlers were in the entirety of the season... **Regarding that, I actually have a theory that the writers were originally wanting to move in a different direction for season one (as evidenced by the fact that the civil war was pretty much wrapped up in episode 14, and Cragger was completely good by then as well), but then, in between the making of episodes 14 and 15, LEGO told them, "no, the Crocs, Wolves, and Ravens are supposed to be the bad guys for 2013. And set up for next year's villains, the Scorpions, Bats, and Spiders." Hence, Ravens vs Eagles, and the "fog of destiny" stuff that didn't really make sense, because the writers had to figure out how to make Cragger evil again.
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Dec 16, 2019 20:22:32 GMT
Post by batonmaster500 on Dec 16, 2019 20:22:32 GMT
Bliston's working for the good of his tribe and the good of Chima though, so he'd be like a good antagonist or something. Like Iron Man/Captain America in Civil War. Yeah, Bliston isn't really evil. Scorpix started out as a villain, but I retconned him to be more nuanced. Yeah. Ah, that's neat. What did you originally plan to do with him?
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Post by The J on Dec 17, 2019 0:07:24 GMT
Yeah, Bliston isn't really evil. Scorpix started out as a villain, but I retconned him to be more nuanced. Yeah. Ah, that's neat. What did you originally plan to do with him? He was pretty much just a villain at first. I hadn't developed Scorpix as much as Bliston. It was a while after Scorpix' death that I came up with the idea that he'd started to turn the Scorpions into a democratic tribe after Scorm's capture/death (but he kept it secret and pretended to be a dictator, so that the Scorpions' royal family wouldn't find out, and stop him from turning the Scorpions into a republic).
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Dec 22, 2019 21:07:51 GMT
-last edited on Dec 22, 2019 21:11:35 GMT by The J
Post by The J on Dec 22, 2019 21:07:51 GMT
(Since getting frozen by the Ice Hunters doesn't end lives, Fangar used this as justification for freezing the people of Chima. And before that, he'd used the ancient tunnels to avoid conflict with other species; if it wasn't for the Tunnel Cats, they wouldn't have had to fight any tigers.) Notice how Sir Fangar and the other Ice Hunters turned good only after the Phoenix left Chima, and removed both the elemental powers from the world. Admittedly, this revolutionary mindset, and the idea that Fangar never wanted to destroy non-Phoenix, is contradicted by the whole Li'ella backstory, but... let's be honest, that bit of lore was only a half-baked attempt to justify the walking plot hole that is Li'ella, and it still doesn't make sense for there to have been evolved lions in that era, so... let's just ignore that. Plus, we don't know the full story there. Maybe that group of lions somehow posed a threat to the Hunters, and was a valuable ally to the Phoenix. (Li'ella should've just been a tiger, honestly...) To be clear, I'm not trying to justify Fangar's actions. As we saw, the Phoenix weren't planning to start ruling the other species out of fear, and Fangar's preemptive strike against a people that may be a threat is a very questionable and debatable action. Though Fluminox and Fangar are both great characters, and I can understand both their points of view. There should've been more interactions between those two. Honestly, I'd watch a whole episode that's just Fangar and Fluminox debating, and then fighting. We could've gotten an episode like that, instead of the awful Flinx filler episode that made the Hunters seem like fools... oh, well. *Side note: I know there were some discrepancies about this for some reason, but yes, fire chi was created before Cavora's chi. It's made clear in episode 31 that Fangar already knows what fire chi is, despite having seen it for the first time since his awakening, in episode 30. There is no way Fangar would've known what fire chi was, if it had been created after he was frozen. New post: S Tier (continued) - Cragger and Crooler: I thought the croc twins were pretty effective villains for season one. Clear and compelling motivations, and they played off of each other well (the twins are less interesting villains on their own). Not really much to analyze about them; unlike Fangar, they don't have additional motivation implied through dialogue. Cragger and Crooler's motivations were pretty much laid out clearly in episodes 1 and 17, respectively. Crooler may have kind of overreacted to not being considered the "first born", but keep in mind that Crominus and Crunket's is the only royal house in the Croc Tribe. In real life, if a medieval princess was mad that she wasn't made queen, she could just marry the prince of a neighboring country, and thus become the queen over there, but such wasn't the case for Crooler. I also like how neither of the crocs were cliche, completely evil overlords with glowing red eyes, trying to conquer the world just for the sake of it. Though Cragger eventually devolved into that kind of villain in episodes 16-20,** and Crooler was demoted to a background character for the rest of the series, because the writers couldn't figure out how to redeem her until the Illumination, which is why Cragger and Crooler are below Fangar on the tier list, in that order. A Tier- Crominus: Very solid motivation for wanting to get rid of Lavertus, and he was a pretty important villain, since he planted the persuader plants that Crooler would use. I mean, he was the Croc prince, and the princess from (presumably) the only other Croc royal family was in love with someone else, of a different species, no less (eugh...). Obviously though, people should marry whoever they want, but Crominus grew up in a medieval society, and his parents probably told him that he had to marry the princess, anyway. You could say that Crominus was brainwashed (persuader plant symbolism? Not sure if that was intentional) by a backwards society into getting someone innocent exiled, so that he could marry who he's "supposed" to. This says a lot about society. Though it is kind of sad that Crominus was a more developed villain in one flashback than the Crawlers were in the entirety of the season... **Regarding that, I actually have a theory that the writers were originally wanting to move in a different direction for season one (as evidenced by the fact that the civil war was pretty much wrapped up in episode 14, and Cragger was completely good by then as well), but then, in between the making of episodes 14 and 15, LEGO told them, "no, the Crocs, Wolves, and Ravens are supposed to be the bad guys for 2013. And set up for next year's villains, the Scorpions, Bats, and Spiders." Hence, Ravens vs Eagles, and the "fog of destiny" stuff that didn't really make sense, because the writers had to figure out how to make Cragger evil again. New post: A Tier (continued) - Razar: I know a lot of Chima fans prefer Razar as a hero (right nightshroud96 and Torahvision ? ), but I enjoyed him as a villain in season 1. His reasoning for joining the evil side was hilariously practical and greedy, and I liked how he would have the Ravens somewhat frequently switch sides in the war over the course of the season, depending on which side was currently winning. His motivation for being "evil" wasn't as reasonable as Fangar and the crocs, but Razar was a very fun and effective villain, and he was a bit more nuanced than Ripnik, as he didn't want the Eagles, Lions, and Wolves to be destroyed in episode 6 (even if he did save them mostly so that he wouldn't lose customers). Also, it's funny how Razar was clearly leading the Ravens for most of the series, and yet Rawzome was shown attending a council with Chima's other leaders in one episode. I like to think that Razar literally bribed his dad into letting him lead the tribe most of the time. Scorm: To be honest, I was going to put Scorm in B Tier at first, but putting him below Maula and Reagull just didn't feel right. Scorm was an effective main villain for season 2, but he was not very developed as a character. Season 2's ridiculously short length is in part to blame for that. I remember when I was explaining the motivations of Chima's main villains to someone who hadn't watched the show, and, looking back, I realize just how much of the Scorm part was headcanon. It was kind of implied that Scorm was taking all the chi from Chima because he was a religious zealot trying to please the "Great Scorpion in the Sky", but that motivation was barely elaborated on, and was contradicted when Scorm and the Crawlers started fighting the inlanders again in episode 36... after having learned that it was an inlander, not the "Great Scorpion", who evolved the Crawlers, and after being rescued by inlanders from a common enemy who was freezing everyone and everything in Chima, Outlanders and inlanders alike. Like... what?? Scorm had literally no reason to resume his fight with the inlanders in season 3. I mean, sure, maybe he wants revenge, but teaming up with the inlanders against invaders who are freezing everything would've been a better move for the good of his people, and putting petty revenge for one loss against the inlanders (a loss that didn't even result in any Crawler casualties) over the good of his tribes just made Scorm seem like an idiot in season 3. Perhaps Season 3's biggest mistake (other than the character of Li'ella and the Flinx filler episode) was resetting the status quo with the Crawlers. After being freed from Fangar's fortress, the Crawlers are just back in the Outlands, schemeing to attack the inlanders (until the Illumination happened), and they didn't do anything by the end of the season. The Crawlers may as well have not been frozen by the Hunters down in the Gorge, and it wouldn't have changed anything important in season 3. Thinking about it, Scorm was pretty much a trash villain in season 3, due to how that arc was written, but pre-season 3 Scorm was an effective main villain, for the unfairly little screen time he was given.
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Post by The J on Jan 4, 2020 21:27:11 GMT
I also like how neither of the crocs were cliche, completely evil overlords with glowing red eyes, trying to conquer the world just for the sake of it. Though Cragger eventually devolved into that kind of villain in episodes 16-20,** and Crooler was demoted to a background character for the rest of the series, because the writers couldn't figure out how to redeem her until the Illumination, which is why Cragger and Crooler are below Fangar on the tier list, in that order. A Tier- Crominus: Very solid motivation for wanting to get rid of Lavertus, and he was a pretty important villain, since he planted the persuader plants that Crooler would use. I mean, he was the Croc prince, and the princess from (presumably) the only other Croc royal family was in love with someone else, of a different species, no less (eugh...). Obviously though, people should marry whoever they want, but Crominus grew up in a medieval society, and his parents probably told him that he had to marry the princess, anyway. You could say that Crominus was brainwashed (persuader plant symbolism? Not sure if that was intentional) by a backwards society into getting someone innocent exiled, so that he could marry who he's "supposed" to. This says a lot about society. Though it is kind of sad that Crominus was a more developed villain in one flashback than the Crawlers were in the entirety of the season... **Regarding that, I actually have a theory that the writers were originally wanting to move in a different direction for season one (as evidenced by the fact that the civil war was pretty much wrapped up in episode 14, and Cragger was completely good by then as well), but then, in between the making of episodes 14 and 15, LEGO told them, "no, the Crocs, Wolves, and Ravens are supposed to be the bad guys for 2013. And set up for next year's villains, the Scorpions, Bats, and Spiders." Hence, Ravens vs Eagles, and the "fog of destiny" stuff that didn't really make sense, because the writers had to figure out how to make Cragger evil again. New post: A Tier (continued) - Razar: I know a lot of Chima fans prefer Razar as a hero (right nightshroud96 and Torahvision ? ), but I enjoyed him as a villain in season 1. His reasoning for joining the evil side was hilariously practical and greedy, and I liked how he would have the Ravens somewhat frequently switch sides in the war over the course of the season, depending on which side was currently winning. His motivation for being "evil" wasn't as reasonable as Fangar and the crocs, but Razar was a very fun and effective villain, and he was a bit more nuanced than Ripnik, as he didn't want the Eagles, Lions, and Wolves to be destroyed in episode 6 (even if he did save them mostly so that he wouldn't lose customers). Also, it's funny how Razar was clearly leading the Ravens for most of the series, and yet Rawzome was shown attending a council with Chima's other leaders in one episode. I like to think that Razar literally bribed his dad into letting him lead the tribe most of the time. Scorm: To be honest, I was going to put Scorm in B Tier at first, but putting him below Maula and Reagull just didn't feel right. Scorm was an effective main villain for season 2, but he was not very developed as a character. Season 2's ridiculously short length is in part to blame for that. I remember when I was explaining the motivations of Chima's main villains to someone who hadn't watched the show, and, looking back, I realize just how much of the Scorm part was headcanon. It was kind of implied that Scorm was taking all the chi from Chima because he was a religious zealot trying to please the "Great Scorpion in the Sky", but that motivation was barely elaborated on, and was contradicted when Scorm and the Crawlers started fighting the inlanders again in episode 36... after having learned that it was an inlander, not the "Great Scorpion", who evolved the Crawlers, and after being rescued by inlanders from a common enemy who was freezing everyone and everything in Chima, Outlanders and inlanders alike. Like... what?? Scorm had literally no reason to resume his fight with the inlanders in season 3. I mean, sure, maybe he wants revenge, but teaming up with the inlanders against invaders who are freezing everything would've been a better move for the good of his people, and putting petty revenge for one loss against the inlanders (a loss that didn't even result in any Crawler casualties) over the good of his tribes just made Scorm seem like an idiot in season 3. Perhaps Season 3's biggest mistake (other than the character of Li'ella and the Flinx filler episode) was resetting the status quo with the Crawlers. After being freed from Fangar's fortress, the Crawlers are just back in the Outlands, schemeing to attack the inlanders (until the Illumination happened), and they didn't do anything by the end of the season. The Crawlers may as well have not been frozen by the Hunters down in the Gorge, and it wouldn't have changed anything important in season 3. Thinking about it, Scorm was pretty much a trash villain in season 3, due to how that arc was written, but pre-season 3 Scorm was an effective main villain, for the unfairly little screen time he was given. (continued) - Maula: She's a follower of Sir Fangar, so same motivation there. While she's riding the coattails of Fangar's movement like the other Hunters, she does have children as well, which is interesting; we've never seen the father. For all we know, the Mammoth King was slain by tigers or phoenix... but I guess we'll never know, so there's not much else to say about Maula. Reagull: Essentially the main villain of episode 14, Reagull's backstory and motivation was extremely solid. The only problem was that his plan was stupid. If his character had been taken more seriously in his one episode and his plan had actually been menacing and had meaningful ramifications, Reagull would've easily been at the top of the A Tier, rather than the bottom. B Tier- Vardy: Same as Maula, a follower of Fangar's movement, but without the added layer of being a parent (as far as we know). I like Vardy's personality better than Maula's, but he never really did anything of note in the important battles of season 3 (except freezing the chi falls, which inadvertently helped the opposite side), instead often fading into the background despite being a tribe leader (the reason I feel like Vardy should've been written as Fangar's right hand man, instead of Stealthor), and he did get kind of taken down by Cragger in episode 28, before Cragger had obtained fire chi, which is kind of sad, and definitely an epic fail on Vardy's part. Ripnik: Not as nuanced as any of the villains above him on the Tier List, but Ripnik was an effective main antagonist for episode 6, manipulating three entire tribes (four if you count the Crocs) into fighting each other; an impressive feat. Ripnik would've been quite a dangerous Raven King; no wonder Razar didn't grant him a high rank in the tribe (well, unless "master thief" is an actual rank for the Ravens, which wouldn't surprise me). Ripnik's incredibly apathetic personality was also entertaining to watch. Unlike Razar, he literally didn't care at all that the Lion Army and essentially the entire Wolf and Eagle tribes could be destroyed, which is wonderfully messed up.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:07:42 GMT
Post by TheFirstDecade on Jan 10, 2020 22:07:42 GMT
*stares at the VERY indepth convo going on* Yeesh i haven't been that observant with the show at all. 
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Post by The J on Jan 11, 2020 8:58:44 GMT
*stares at the VERY indepth convo going on* Yeesh i haven't been that observant with the show at all.  I like analyzing characters, but I'm probably overthinking some of it.
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Post by TheFirstDecade on Jan 14, 2020 1:36:30 GMT
*stares at the VERY indepth convo going on* Yeesh i haven't been that observant with the show at all. I like analyzing characters, but I'm probably overthinking some of it.  Some is an understatement.
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Post by The J on Jan 14, 2020 4:16:01 GMT
I like analyzing characters, but I'm probably overthinking some of it. Some is an understatement. Yeah, well... whatever.
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(Joking.) 
(Joking.) 
